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Bring back the medievial public stocks just for that dick doug mckay..

and those morons chris brooks, stephen townsend and winston peters!


Oh and GODoyle the next Emperor of Auckland..
 
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I wonder what the response of Auckland ratepayers is to stumping up $100m. In any event, it won't be the last request for money from Eden Park Trust. They have a lemon and a very expensive one at that. If Goff caves in, thats it for him. John Tamihere will have a field day.
 
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I wonder what the response of Auckland ratepayers is to stumping up $100m. In any event, it won't be the last request for money from Eden Park Trust. They have a lemon and a very expensive one at that. If Goff caves in, thats it for him. John Tamihere will have a field day.
Not 100 mil. The actual figure is 200 mil. 100 mil for eden park trust so that they can fix up eden park and 91 mil (i rounded up) for eden park trust to build a cricket ground. Total 191 mill.

You would have to think that if they can blow out a figure of 19 mill to 91 mill, that half way through the time allocated to eden parks 100 mill pay out then they will be back for $476 000 000. Because thats the same value change.

For that money they should just build a new stadium
 
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Absolutely shocking if these Rah Rah Entitlements and the Auckland Council get away with this... there should be huge protests!!!
 
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What did the Eden Park Trust do before the major upgrades?

Ok they wouldn't have this huge loan to service but they would still need redo the lights, the turf etc. Also the stadium if it hadn't been done up would still need improvements. The upgrades from the 1987 Rugby World Cup to just before 2011 was mainly just the ASB stand. The rest of the park would still have needed bringing up to modern standards.

The Western Springs redevelopment going over budget isn't unusual. A Waterfront Stadium would likely go over budget most projects like this tend to. For a smaller stadium though the Western Springs blow out is pretty significant.

Interesting to see that it is listed for concerts still. That may be until a new stadium is built. Not sure if they have restrictions on night events, there has been issues with residents even though the park has been there for a long time.
 
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Went and watched the Phoenix last night. What a terrible ground to watch rectangle pitch sports at. Felt so disconnected. Mt Smart and Albany far superior in terms of viewing. How about we can eden park now. Mt smart and Albany can be used in the meantime for any games in Auckland. Redevelop eden park to housing while building a new stadium either downtown or Manukau?
 
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Not 100 mil. The actual figure is 200 mil. 100 mil for eden park trust so that they can fix up eden park and 91 mil (i rounded up) for eden park trust to build a cricket ground. Total 191 mill.

You would have to think that if they can blow out a figure of 19 mill to 91 mill, that half way through the time allocated to eden parks 100 mill pay out then they will be back for $476 000 000. Because thats the same value change.

For that money they should just build a new stadium
I was only $91m out which is probably better than their budget over run. They can't pay back the $40m they borrowed, why give them more? Like Inruin said, it is a crap ground to watch football of any code. As for budget over runs. The people that put the contract documents together should be strung up. There is no excuse. The contracts should be lump sum contracts managed by people who know what they are doing.
 
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Went and watched the Phoenix last night. What a terrible ground to watch rectangle pitch sports at. Felt so disconnected. Mt Smart and Albany far superior in terms of viewing. How about we can eden park now. Mt smart and Albany can be used in the meantime for any games in Auckland. Redevelop eden park to housing while building a new stadium either downtown or Manukau?
How about RIP up the eden park turf add clay and make a new speedway with grand stand seating...lol
 
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Went and watched the Phoenix last night. What a terrible ground to watch rectangle pitch sports at. Felt so disconnected. Mt Smart and Albany far superior in terms of viewing. How about we can eden park now. Mt smart and Albany can be used in the meantime for any games in Auckland. Redevelop eden park to housing while building a new stadium either downtown or Manukau?
Stop talking sense.....
 
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Bring in the wrecking ball & developers.
 
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Bring back the medievial public stocks just for that dick doug mckay..
That guy is the same as a house owner who owes the bank more than his house is worth and cannot pay the interest...a neville nobody not even worth click bait.
Went and watched the Phoenix last night. What a terrible ground to watch rectangle pitch sports at. Felt so disconnected. Mt Smart and Albany far superior in terms of viewing. How about we can eden park now. Mt smart and Albany can be used in the meantime for any games in Auckland. Redevelop eden park to housing while building a new stadium either downtown or Manukau?
Excactly, even if they appease the nimbies around the ground Eden Park needs a massive rebuild to be a proper football stadium. The place is no good except for housing nimbies, end of story.
I wonder what the response of Auckland ratepayers is to stumping up $100m. In any event, it won't be the last request for money from Eden Park Trust. They have a lemon and a very expensive one at that. If Goff caves in, thats it for him. John Tamihere will have a field day.
The government will have to step in to stop the Council spending this money. The Auckland Council is in the shite over the rail blowout. They have no more leverage that enables them to comply with their debt ceiling. The best and cheapest they can do is improve MSS for the football codes. So it isn't downtown, stiff shit, you have to have what you can afford and it will pay for itself with all the codes and concerts.

The prospect of the Warrirors moving to Eden Park is a dream. Sorry you rah rahs but it will be the Blues going to MSS. Get used to the idea and we will get somewhere.
 
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Yeah honestly I think a large part of why we still haven't got downtown stadium built yet is because that's all we've been focusing on. For me, if such project is ever going to happen and if we are ever going to get it done, we need think bigger, alot bigger. That instead of building a downtown stadium what we should be building is one big huge giant entertainment precinct along Auckland Waterfront complete with amusement park, arcades, shops, an indoor nature reserve, water slides, pools and a private beach. A downtown stadium should only be seen as one part of it. That's how I would try and sell it to people as there just not that much support in Auckland anymore for another sporting facility ...
 
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Yeah honestly I think a large part of why we still haven't got downtown stadium built yet is because that's all we've been focusing on. For me, if such project is ever going to happen and if we are ever going to get it done, we need think bigger, alot bigger. That instead of building a downtown stadium what we should be building is one big huge giant entertainment precinct along Auckland Waterfront complete with amusement park, arcades, shops, an indoor nature reserve, water slides, pools and a private beach. A downtown stadium should only be seen as one part of it. That's how I would try and sell it to people as there just not that much support in Auckland anymore for another sporting facility ...
Like darling harbour only worse!
 
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Auckland city hasn’t got the dough, as we have to pay for the Boatie Boys and build the train set to the airport. Not 1/2 way down Dominion Rd. as it will hit a musician on a bicycle carrying grocery bags .
Jacinda should enforce that the all Blacks World Cup series be move to Forsyth-Barr
Stadium in Duneden as they got their shit together .

Ferguson Wharfs to Northport.

New exclusive “EDEN PARK ESTATES” a Gated Community for people will pay a million+ for a 1/4 acre section.

Build Glorious “HELENGRAD”, Home of the WARRIORS, at Ferguson Wharfs.
Even the ABs could have a go.

The gummint should kick ass as the Auckland Council bozos cant get their shit together.
They mean well, I know.
 
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1. Despite its glowing history Eden Park is past its use by date. For me the upkeep costs to that are self evident.

2. The land it sits on is valuable and the sale of will go some way to covering existing debt.

3. A decision needs to be made regarding where the new stadium goes. I would say Planning law will require a law passed in Parliament to enable this otherwise lo al squabbles will continue.

4. I would take the day to day running of the build away from ARC and use Contractors with strict overview and capacity for penalties for blowouts.

5. This project will take years. The ABs will use other stadia like MSS and North Harbour in the interim.

6. There is no need for the Warriors and Blues to have separate stadia. Substantial money could be saved shaing a facility.

7. It is maddening that the status quo is being kept pushed by the EP Trust in the face of any logic. All things must pass.
 
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Eden Park bail out should mean more Auckland council control, mayor says
Todd Niall12:00, Feb 19 2019

Eden Park could move under Auckland Council control under a bailout likely to be settled in the coming months.

The scenario has been laid out by Mayor Phil Goff who said the city already had too many under-used stadiums.

Goff's comments come as the council prepares to pay off the financially-troubled stadium's $40 million bank loan, and possibly inject up to $65 million over the next decade.


SUPPLIED/EDEN PARK TRUST BOARD
Trust-owned Eden Park could move more under council control in a future bail-out package
"If council is going to spend money, it wants to be sure the beneficiary of any loan is managing its assets as cost effectively as possible," Goff toldStuff.

Securing Eden Park's medium-term future will be the first in a chain of decisions the council faces about its family of venues and sporting codes.

Goff said he favoured any council assistance being in the form of a loan, but he wanted conditions attached.

"That would be on the condition of the Eden Park Trust Board working closely with council and the council's venue operator, Regional Facilities Auckland (RFA), to find ways of ensuring the best utilisation of the stadium," he told Stuff.

"That would minimise losses and duplication, and work better and more closely with council, in terms of the range of the stadium assets that the city has."


Goff's view would significantly change the relationship between the council and trust-owned Eden Park, which has its own management and systems.

The trust's board has argued it is disadvantaged in the market to secure some events.

"In stark contrast to the heavily-subsidised council facilities against which it competes on the 'open market' for event activity," it said in its annual report.

The council agency RFA runs the ageing Mt Smart stadium and North Shore's QBE stadium, as well as venues such as Western Springs.

Other decisions that would follow Eden Park, include how and when to move speedway from Western Springs to Colin Dale Park, and the springs' development as a cricket oval.

One of the earning constraints Eden Park faces comes from planning conditions that limit the number and nature of night events.

It is allowed to host up to six concerts a year, but has yet to test the lengthy and costly resource consent process in the face of opposition from some neighbours.

Goff said it would be up to the trust's board to seek any relaxation of planning restrictions - requiring a change to the city's development blueprint, the Unitary Plan.

"They would initiate that change and presumably end up in the Environment Court and the could would independently make its decision on what controls are justifiable," Goff said.

"The Eden Park Trust Board will have its own legal advice in relation to its options on planning restrictions, without interference from council which is the regulatory authority, and shouldn't pass an opinion on it."

Goff wanted any loans to the trust's board to be secured against the stadium property and repayable to the council should it ever be sold.

The council has made no decisions yet on the scale and nature of its involvement with Eden Park.

The stadium remains Auckland's only international stadium for the next 10-15 years at least, until the council explores the option of a new stadium at a different site.

Council loans or other significant contributions to Eden Park will be wrapped up as part of the council's 2019-20 budget, which has to be signed off by the end of June.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/110690177/eden-park-bail-out-should-mean-more-auckland-council-control-mayor-says
 
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Here's some ideas from left field involving Eden Park.
  1. Forget about a waterfront stadium: that idea is now past it's use by date.
  2. One of the worst things about Eden Park is it's shape. It's too small for a proper cricket ground but Auckland Cricket don't want to leave there because they'll lose their $1 mil. a year grant from the EPTB (Eden Park Trust Board). Solution: Auckland Council grant them $1 mil. a year grant to play all the cricket games inc. international T20's, ODI's and Test Matches at the new Western Springs stadium. Along with this, Auckland Cricket loses their voting rights for the EPTB. One board position is granted to the ARL in exchange for the Warriors moving all their Auckland regular season and all finals games to Eden Park.
  3. Remove the southern, eastern and western stands and erect new stands closer to the sidelines to allow for a rectangular ground. Make sure the roof height for these new stands matches the height of the remaining stand. Have a maximum capacity of 50,000.
  4. Provide the new stands with as tiers to match the remaining stand. Why? So that they can sell tickets (inc. season tickets) to the bottom tier first so the stadium looks fuller.
  5. Neighbours complain about sound including concerts and events running too long. Solution: put a soundproof roof on the thing.... that's why you make all the roofs to the new stands match the height of the remaining northern stand.
  6. Auckland Council change the District Plan (it is theirs after all) and allow the EPTB to either develop Eden Park Two themselves or allow it to be sold to a developer to develop. The money from the sale would help fund all of the above. Best of all would be for the EPTB to sell the land as leasehold and get a ground rent from it each year so either pay back their loans or pay for the upkeep of the stadium.
All of this could be done before the Warriors lease for Mt Smart is up and, if the shape of Eden Park was more suitable for league, I think most of the Warriors fan base would go for it.

As a very "unscientific" poll of a very small group of Warriors supporters, if you like the idea of the Warriors shifting to Eden Park with a roof and more suitable for League than it currently is, click on the "Like" button below, if you hate/dislike the idea, click on the "Funny" button.
 
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