General Attendances

LordGnome_old

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We need to string a few wins together to get our attendances up - from https://stats.rleague.com/rl/rl_index.html;
2008 Attendances - By Team
Team the Home, then Away atendances (totals and average)
Brisbane 81,862 40,931 81,345 20,336
Bulldogs 72,836 24,279 62,816 20,939
Canberra 42,190 14,063 42,117 14,039
Cronulla 13,852 13,852 73,500 14,700
Gold Coast Titans 90,581 22,645 23,842 11,921
Manly 40,025 13,342 45,774 15,258
Melbourne 58,267 14,567 27,687 13,844
New Zealand 42,680 14,227 50,813 16,938
Newcastle 56,964 18,988 40,870 13,623
North Queensland 60,440 20,147 89,225 29,742
Parramatta 67,587 16,897 34,481 17,241
Penrith 35,266 11,755 57,000 19,000
Souths 64,213 21,404 44,387 14,796
St George Illawarra 37,478 12,493 47,375 15,792
Sydney Roosters 45,037 15,012 82,836 27,612
Wests Tigers 49,231 16,410 54,441 18,147
And the crowds are growing every year;
Year, number of games, total attendance and average
2008 48 858,509 17,886
2007 192 3,024,040 15,750
2006180 2,808,055 15,600
2005 180 2,964,288 16,4689
2004180 2,640,690 14,671
2003 180 2,604,501 14,469
2002 180 2,355,184 13,0849
2001 182 2,412,528 13,256
2000 182 2,614,665 14,366
1999 204 2,843,065 13,937
1998 240 2,624,359 10,935
BTW, union is really struggling with tv ratings, as well as attendances - this is from today's Herald;
SkyTV, the New Zealand broadcaster that bought a five-year rights package from the Rupert Murdoch-owned News Corporation in 2006, says it is open to the idea of restructuring ahead of the time.
The latest viewing figures from AGB Nielsen Media Research reveal that the accumulative audience through nine rounds of Super Rugby is 1.1 million viewers less in 2008 than it was in 2006. In 2006 the accumulative audience after nine rounds was 5.2 million, which is down to 4.4 million this year a drop of 21 per cent.
After nine rounds in 2006 the average audience for games played in New Zealand was 238, 000 whereas this year there has been a drop of 25 per cent to 179, 000.
Only 171,000 people watched the opening game between the Crusaders and Brumbies, which was 47 per cent down on the number that watched the Blues play the Hurricanes first up in 2006.
 
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LordGnome_old

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Our home average is 14,227 - Brisbane's is 40,931 (that's the benchmark!)

Mind you, our attendances look good compared to some of the other teams (Melbourne, Manly, St George etc)
 

Jesbass_old

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We need to string a few wins together to get our attendances up - from https://stats.rleague.com/rl/rl_index.html;
2008 Attendances - By Team
Team the Home, then Away atendances (totals and average)
Brisbane 81,862 40,931 81,345 20,336
Bulldogs 72,836 24,279 62,816 20,939
Canberra 42,190 14,063 42,117 14,039
Cronulla 13,852 13,852 73,500 14,700
Gold Coast Titans 90,581 22,645 23,842 11,921
Manly 40,025 13,342 45,774 15,258
Melbourne 58,267 14,567 27,687 13,844
New Zealand 42,680 14,227 50,813 16,938
Newcastle 56,964 18,988 40,870 13,623
North Queensland 60,440 20,147 89,225 29,742
Parramatta 67,587 16,897 34,481 17,241
Penrith 35,266 11,755 57,000 19,000
Souths 64,213 21,404 44,387 14,796
St George Illawarra 37,478 12,493 47,375 15,792
Sydney Roosters 45,037 15,012 82,836 27,612
Wests Tigers 49,231 16,410 54,441 18,147
And the crowds are growing every year;
Year, number of games, total attendance and average
2008 48 858,509 17,886
2007 192 3,024,040 15,750
2006180 2,808,055 15,600
2005 180 2,964,288 16,4689
2004180 2,640,690 14,671
2003 180 2,604,501 14,469
2002 180 2,355,184 13,0849
2001 182 2,412,528 13,256
2000 182 2,614,665 14,366
1999 204 2,843,065 13,937
1998 240 2,624,359 10,935
BTW, union is really struggling with tv ratings, as well as attendances - this is from today's Herald;
SkyTV, the New Zealand broadcaster that bought a five-year rights package from the Rupert Murdoch-owned News Corporation in 2006, says it is open to the idea of restructuring ahead of the time.
The latest viewing figures from AGB Nielsen Media Research reveal that the accumulative audience through nine rounds of Super Rugby is 1.1 million viewers less in 2008 than it was in 2006. In 2006 the accumulative audience after nine rounds was 5.2 million, which is down to 4.4 million this year a drop of 21 per cent.
After nine rounds in 2006 the average audience for games played in New Zealand was 238, 000 whereas this year there has been a drop of 25 per cent to 179, 000.
Only 171,000 people watched the opening game between the Crusaders and Brumbies, which was 47 per cent down on the number that watched the Blues play the Hurricanes first up in 2006.

Um, what am I missing there? How does 5.2 million, minus 4.4 million, equal 1.1 million?

Mister Gnome, there are four figures after each team's name. The first one is presumably total home crowd, and the second is average home crowd. Are the other two total away crowd and average away crowd?
 

LordGnome_old

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Mister Gnome, there are four figures after each team's name. The first one is presumably total home crowd, and the second is average home crowd. Are the other two total away crowd and average away crowd?

That is correct.
 

LordGnome_old

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The latest viewing figures from AGB Nielsen Media Research reveal that the accumulative audience through nine rounds of Super Rugby is 1.1 million viewers less in 2008 than it was in 2006. In 2006 the accumulative audience after nine rounds was 5.2 million, which is down to 4.4 million this year a drop of 21 per cent.

Dunno, but the Herlad is not known for being a particularly well-edited paper!

Still nice to see league kicking union's ass, though.
 

LordGnome_old

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Souths are getting good attendances - especially when you consider their form!
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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Our home average is 14,227 - Brisbane's is 40,931 (that's the benchmark!)

Mind you, our attendances look good compared to some of the other teams (Melbourne, Manly, St George etc)

Can Mt Smart even hold 40,000?
 

LordGnome_old

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Its listed as a 35,000 capcity for sports event - officially - but there has rarely been over 30,000 there.
 

LordGnome_old

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From the official site - its been updated;
The Mt Smart Stadium precinct has three main areas:
No. 1 Arena

This venue is the best known of the Mt Smart venues as it is the home of the Vodafone Warriors. The venue has a capacity of approximately 30,000 for a sports game or approximately 47,000 for a music event.
  • East Stand - location of three of the Mt Smart Stadium function rooms - the Club Lounge, Club Lounge South and the Beasley Avenue Lounge.
  • West Stand - location of the Stacey Jones Lounge and the Corporate Suites.
No. 2 Arena

This venue is the main athletics venue and has an international standard athletics track and equipment. The venue has a capacity of 10,000.

Supertop

The Mt Smart Supertop has been a feature of the precinct for more than 10 years. This venue has hosted many major concerts including the Smashing Pumpkins and Metallica. The venue has a capacity of 13,000.

These three main areas are supported by three additional playing field areas along with car parking for 1,200 on-site.
 

LordGnome_old

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Again, from https://stats.rleague.com/rl/rl_index.html the Warriors biggest home attendances, with finals games in bold;
30112Auckland v ManlyMt_Smart07-Apr-1995
29500Auckland v CanberraMt_Smart18-Aug-1995
29474Auckland v IllawarraMt_Smart16-Apr-1995
29220Auckland v BrisbaneMt_Smart10-Mar-1995
29048Auckland v Sydney CityMt_Smart30-Apr-1995
28973Auckland v St GeorgeMt_Smart06-Aug-1995
28745Parramatta v New ZealandMt_Smart07-Sep-2007
28713Auckland v Sydney TigersMt_Smart04-Jun-1995
26000Auckland v BrisbaneMt_Smart30-Aug-1996
25800Canberra v New ZealandMt_Smart15-Sep-2002
25070New Zealand v ManlyMt_Smart26-Aug-2007
24723Auckland v PenrithMt_Smart18-Jun-1995
24568New Zealand v North QueenslandMt_Smart02-Sep-2001
23432Auckland v ParramattaMt_Smart05-May-1996
23300Auckland v CanterburyMt_Smart16-Aug-1996
22810Auckland v CronullaMt_Smart08-Jun-1996
22500Auckland v NorthsMt_Smart14-Apr-1996
22125New Zealand v BrisbaneMt_Smart18-Aug-2002
21570New Zealand v BulldogsMt_Smart10-Aug-2002
21446Auckland v WestsMt_Smart26-Mar-1995

A couple of games from last season in there!
 
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Northern_Union

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Geez it grates me, this club is not New Zealand and does not represent New Zealand. That honor is for the New Zealand Kiwis alone.
 

LordGnome_old

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I know - it was the same for the Football Kingz/Knights - how comes the Phoenix can call themselves Wellington not New Zealand?
 

LordGnome_old

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On a lighter note than all of the most-mortems currently going on; after this weekends games, NRL attendances are up 17% on last season - compare that to the Super 14!
 

westie stylz_old

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Lord Gnome, the attendance figures are misleading to compare the average now with the averages at the end of each season. i track those stats every week every year (cos, I'm a stat geek) and they always start out that high. Then we get the mid season blues (weather gets bad, spectator interest drops off a bit, poorly performing sides get abandoned somewhat and the round averages start getting to 11,000 - 14,000 and the season average slowly tracks down. Last year the average crowd in round 13 was 8,790.

I think though, that this season will break the record for total number of spectators beating the 3,061,893 that watched in 1995. We should also beat last years average crowd and are an decent chance of beating the highest average crowd in the comps history which was 16,468 in 2005. The main reasons for that are the Broncos good form because their average really makes the comp average look better than it really is, and because of the Titans new ground and form.
 

westie stylz_old

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And while I'm on a stat trip here are some stats for people who have freaked out with our away from this year (I pinched it from my blog)... https://www.bloggingitreal.blogspot.com/

I've done a bit of digging to look at the records of each team at home and here they are...
Melbourne: 34 wins from 36 games (we were hardly going to win that were we?, that home record is verging on the unbelievable in a competition this even).

Manly: 17 wins from 19 (not as long as Melbourne's but becoming about as impressive).

North Queensland: 13 wins from 19 (Not unbeatable but then, it's a better home record than most and the Warriors have now lost 6 straight there so it isn't just this Warriors team that has a problem there with our last win being in round 4 of 2002).

Gold Coast: 5 from 5 at their new home ground (Skilled Park) and 7 from 7 going back to last year.

So yeah, combined those teams are 71 wins from 81 games for a 87.6% win rate. That's the stuff legends are made of in a competition where the average home win/loss ratio last year was 55/45.

The Warriors draw for the rest of the year is unsurprisingly much friendlier. They face several of the more difficult teams at home and their road journeys aren't quite so bad although none are ever easy.

Next up they are home to the Raiders who won't be a push over, then they have the 2 points from the bye and then are away to the Panthers. Contrast their next three away opponents home records in recent times and things look a bit more winnable.

Check it...
Penrith: 4 wins from 17
Newcastle: 5 wins from 14
Sharks: 1 win from 9 (that's right, the Sharks have now won just 1 of their last 9 home games).

So those three teams have a combined home record (from my selection) of 10 wins and 30 losses, a 25% win rate.
 
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LordGnome_old

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Yeah, it wa always going to be a tough draw for the first few rounds - all the Warriors can do is hope to keep winning at home for the next few weeks (without Price, Vatuvei, Ropati - and McKinnon.)

The crowd stats still stack up against the same time last year - the crowds always start and finish higher than the mid-season, so it evens itself out eventually. Hopefully, this will be the best supported year of the NRL ever.

Contract this to the Super 14, where Rupert Murdoch's men have told SANZAR to get a new format in place the year BEFORE the television deal is up for renegotiation!
 

westie stylz_old

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Yeah, the crowds tend to go something like this... average 18,000 after about 6 rounds or so, then average about 13,000 through the middle, then average about 14-15,000 in the last part of the yeara nd wind up averaging about 16,000 for the whole season. it's played out that same way the last 3 years before this one.

This year seems a touch up on the last few though and may be able to absord the inevitable mid season slump that can't be avoided unless they shorten the season by 4 rounds but that's another story.

The Super 14 lloks like it will get a big re-jig and it will be interesting to see how radical they go. I would say at the very least they will introduce a team from Japan but that will probably not be enough. So I'm guessing a team from the Pacific (a combined one) and a North American team as well. It will make travel a nightmare, it will be popular for a few years and then they will get sick of the travel, teams losing on the road all the time and will have to change it all again. They need to stick to teams roughly in the same time zone IMO and let the South Africans play in Europe. Keep it Aussie, NZ, Pacific and Japan. But I think I'm in the wrong forum for this discussion ;)
 

LordGnome_old

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You may well be in the wrong forum, but I understand that the Super 14 is going to be expanded to 20-odd teams (covering Japan, Argentina, Fiji etc) and that it is going to run for 6 months - just like the NRL!

There is also talk that playes may play outside of their country and yet still represent the All Blacks (i.e. Dan Carter could play in Japan and still be an All Black, because Japanese rugby would be completely re-jigged to fit with the new "Super 24", or whatever it will be called, competition.)

This will lead to the NPC/Air NZ Cup becoming an ammature event - as it would clash with the new Super competiton and the inevitable tri/six/whatever Nations series.

That would leave NZ with how many profesional sports teams?
The Warriors
The Phoenix
The Breakers
The 5 Super Rugby Franchises
The 5 (?) Netball franchises

A good time for a Wellington based NRL team to be introduced, do you think?
 

westie stylz_old

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That would leave NZ with how many profesional sports teams?
The Warriors
The Phoenix
The Breakers
The 5 Super Rugby Franchises
The 5 (?) Netball franchises

A good time for a Wellington based NRL team to be introduced, do you think?

Definately. To use one of those wanky terms Wellington would have to be the next cab off the rank in the NRL. I think we probably missed the boat a bit now that the Phoenix are around. Wellingtonians are into their live sport but even their dollar will only stretch so far.

But yeah, we EASILY have the local talent for it with something like 70 NZers in the NRL and just one team. I think they may start a team there in about 2012 especially since the Titans have done so well in a nice stadium and successful team so far. Wellington already have a good venue and a sport loving public and decent local league base.
 

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