Recruitment 2021 Warriors Recruitment DISCUSSION

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tajhay

Negative Nancy
Mar 30, 2012
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Sydney
Let's get the Manu hype even higher

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Some of those passes would be called forward at the Warriors. Anyway, for the range he wants that's a pretty average highlights video IMO. At close to a mill, you need to be a proven game breaker. It's a totally different story when you play for a different club to the Roosters, whose forwards dent the line to create space for their halves to create mismatches and gaps.

He is good. But he's not great. You don't pay close to a mill for something "good".

Anyway I trust POS and his salary cap management. He has saved us coin w a few astute cheap signings so might be worth a splash. I would rather B Smith and supposedly he's looking for less than what Manu is asking...
 

Mr Brownstone

1st Grade Fringe
Nov 9, 2014
3,272
Some of those passes would be called forward at the Warriors. Anyway, for the range he wants that's a pretty average highlights video IMO. At close to a mill, you need to be a proven game breaker. It's a totally different story when you play for a different club to the Roosters, whose forwards dent the line to create space for their halves to create mismatches and gaps.

He is good. But he's not great. You don't pay close to a mill for something "good".

Anyway I trust POS and his salary cap management. He has saved us coin w a few astute cheap signings so might be worth a splash. I would rather B Smith and supposedly he's looking for less than what Manu is asking...
Agree, no way Manu is a million dollar player, however I don’t trust POS to not pay overs for him. People seem to be conveniently forgetting the bad signings he’s made - he would be running at no better than 50/50 hits and misses which is why we haven’t improved.
 
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zaggo

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 19, 2016
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Some of those passes would be called forward at the Warriors. Anyway, for the range he wants that's a pretty average highlights video IMO. At close to a mill, you need to be a proven game breaker. It's a totally different story when you play for a different club to the Roosters, whose forwards dent the line to create space for their halves to create mismatches and gaps.

He is good. But he's not great. You don't pay close to a mill for something "good".

Anyway I trust POS and his salary cap management. He has saved us coin w a few astute cheap signings so might be worth a splash. I would rather B Smith and supposedly he's looking for less than what Manu is asking...

I agree he's not worth a million, but he is a great player.

I watch a lot of Roosters games (probably 90%+) and at least once or twice a game he creates something out of nothing. Imagine a supercharged Hiku with a far better running game and strong defensively.
 

Toookey

1st Grade Fringe
May 3, 2021
651
Agree, no way Manu is a million dollar player, however I don’t trust POS to not pay overs for him. People seem to be conveniently forgetting the bad signings he’s made - he would be running at no better than 50/50 hits and misses which is why we haven’t improved.

Yeah when I first heard about us looking at Manu in such a key position (fullback or half) and for a million I was surprised.

I love watching Manu play, but in terms of those positions there are better options available. Guthersona off contract, Munster soon, hell, why not throw a million at Sam Walker or Sualii, who are probably better talents in their respective positions.

I think Joey brings more though - he’s obviously very marketable and is a kiwi, I assume he’s a great trainer and also brings leadership. I think he’s a winner through and through and while he may not have as high a ceiling as some of those other players, I do think a lot of those other aspects really mean he would be a top player for us.

Best case scenario we sign him for $8-900k, which would be a steal imo
 

ramps

1st Grade Fringe
May 2, 2013
1,156
Rarotonga, Cook Islands
All this hope being put on Joey Manu. But considering we may offer a mill.... Do we really think he is better than Roger Tuivasa-Sheck? IMO he's not a million dollar value. He's an awesome centre and fullback but not the game changer i think a lot of people are expecting him to be.
 

wizards rage

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 18, 2016
5,118
Tauranga
All this hope being put on Joey Manu. But considering we may offer a mill.... Do we really think he is better than Roger Tuivasa-Sheck? IMO he's not a million dollar value. He's an awesome centre and fullback but not the game changer i think a lot of people are expecting him to be.
I think he’s equal to Roger Tuivasa-Sheck but in different ways.

I didn’t think Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was worth a million though…
 

Wrighty

1st Grade Fringe
May 26, 2021
900
Both of the above two posts touch on a point I was about to make and spent the last twenty minutes compiling.

I am going to make the case that Manu will be at least as good a spine player as Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and he was on $1.1M so therefore Manu is worth as $1M too as a potential fullback. In addition Manu is more versatile as can play standoff as well in the spine so is a better spine asset that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.
Only one member of this forum used to question the salary value of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and that was Mr B who also as it happens is panning the salary value of Manu at a potential $1M. The rest of you though should be willing to concede the point that if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was worth $1.1M then so might be Manu be. Manu has looked class at fullback on his occassions there and here is the stats comparison between the two players this year

2021​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
17​
23​
Tries
4​
10​
Try Assists
6​
7​
Line Breaks
11​
12​
Tackle Breaks
81​
92​
 

Wheels

Warriors Bench Player
Jun 30, 2021
83
Both of the above two posts touch on a point I was about to make and spent the last twenty minutes compiling.

I am going to make the case that Manu will be at least as good a spine player as Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and he was on $1.1M so therefore Manu is worth as $1M too as a potential fullback. In addition Manu is more versatile as can play standoff as well in the spine so is a better spine asset that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.
Only one member of this forum used to question the salary value of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and that was Mr B who also as it happens is panning the salary value of Manu at a potential $1M. The rest of you though should be willing to concede the point that if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was worth $1.1M then so might be Manu be. Manu has looked class at fullback on his occassions there and here is the stats comparison between the two players this year

2021​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
17​
23​
Tries
4​
10​
Try Assists
6​
7​
Line Breaks
11​
12​
Tackle Breaks
81​
92​
I personally would play Manu at fullback and put Walsh at no. 6. Walsh has a better boot whereas Manu will physically be better under the high ball and defensively out back. I think he will only improve. In terms of comparison and worth of Manu if he plays fullback I agree he is worth a million as is a long term prospect and is just a classy player. I always watch the Roosters play because of him and this year he did roam around alot like a fullback turning up in all sorts of positions, creating tries or scoring himself. A better try scorer than Roger although Roger was amazing defensively and running the ball back after a quick play the ball etc. If we miss out on Manu then Metcalf looks like a good option for a Fullback from what I have seen...I guess we just wait until November 1st to see if there are any reveals that improve our side.
 

wizards rage

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 18, 2016
5,118
Tauranga
Both of the above two posts touch on a point I was about to make and spent the last twenty minutes compiling.

I am going to make the case that Manu will be at least as good a spine player as Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and he was on $1.1M so therefore Manu is worth as $1M too as a potential fullback. In addition Manu is more versatile as can play standoff as well in the spine so is a better spine asset that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.
Only one member of this forum used to question the salary value of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and that was Mr B who also as it happens is panning the salary value of Manu at a potential $1M. The rest of you though should be willing to concede the point that if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was worth $1.1M then so might be Manu be. Manu has looked class at fullback on his occassions there and here is the stats comparison between the two players this year

2021​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
17​
23​
Tries
4​
10​
Try Assists
6​
7​
Line Breaks
11​
12​
Tackle Breaks
81​
92​
A little unfair comparison. Most here will say this year and last Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was off his peak. Go back to 2018/19 stats for the benchmark performances.

Also these are attacking stats whereas Roger Tuivasa-Sheck’s value was his defence, meters made, output, leadership and off field contribution.
 

Wrighty

1st Grade Fringe
May 26, 2021
900
A little unfair comparison. Most here will say this year and last Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was off his peak. Go back to 2018/19 stats for the benchmark performances.

Also these are attacking stats whereas Roger Tuivasa-Sheck’s value was his defence, meters made, output, leadership and off field contribution.
Here are a few years 2019 as you mentioned and I also picked 2017 as that was a very good Roger Year

2021​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
17​
23​
Tries
4​
10​
Try Assists
6​
7​
Line Breaks
11​
12​
Tackle Breaks
81​
92​
2019​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
23​
25​
Tries
7​
8​
Try Assists
10​
5​
Line Breaks
14​
8​
2017​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
23​
16​
Tries
10​
5​
Try Assists
8​
4​
Line Breaks
16​
7​
 

Wrighty

1st Grade Fringe
May 26, 2021
900
Another small point is that Manu is 25 - if we can snag him for 2022 and 2023 those should be the premier years of his career from a maturity vs athleticism perspective.
Notwithstanding the Roosters have better forwards his numbers should lift with us due to his age ripening.
 
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Mr Brownstone

1st Grade Fringe
Nov 9, 2014
3,272
Yeah when I first heard about us looking at Manu in such a key position (fullback or half) and for a million I was surprised.

I love watching Manu play, but in terms of those positions there are better options available. Guthersona off contract, Munster soon, hell, why not throw a million at Sam Walker or Sualii, who are probably better talents in their respective positions.

I think Joey brings more though - he’s obviously very marketable and is a kiwi, I assume he’s a great trainer and also brings leadership. I think he’s a winner through and through and while he may not have as high a ceiling as some of those other players, I do think a lot of those other aspects really mean he would be a top player for us.

Best case scenario we sign him for $8-900k, which would be a steal imo
I’ve come around to liking the idea of us chasing him (just not for $1m) however I would want him to play centre, particularly so if we have signed Metcalf. Anyway unlikely Manu leaves the Roosters.
 

Mr Brownstone

1st Grade Fringe
Nov 9, 2014
3,272
Both of the above two posts touch on a point I was about to make and spent the last twenty minutes compiling.

I am going to make the case that Manu will be at least as good a spine player as Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and he was on $1.1M so therefore Manu is worth as $1M too as a potential fullback. In addition Manu is more versatile as can play standoff as well in the spine so is a better spine asset that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.
Only one member of this forum used to question the salary value of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and that was Mr B who also as it happens is panning the salary value of Manu at a potential $1M. The rest of you though should be willing to concede the point that if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was worth $1.1M then so might be Manu be. Manu has looked class at fullback on his occassions there and here is the stats comparison between the two players this year

2021​
Roger Tuivasa-SheckManu
Games
17​
23​
Tries
4​
10​
Try Assists
6​
7​
Line Breaks
11​
12​
Tackle Breaks
81​
92​
How about compare Manu’s stats to an elite $1m fullback rather than just an overpaid one. I appreciate he played centre for much of the year however Manu will never create opportunities like Teddy, Turbo, Pappy and even the next tier down like Gutho.
 

Toookey

1st Grade Fringe
May 3, 2021
651
How about compare Manu’s stats to an elite $1m fullback rather than just an overpaid one. I appreciate he played centre for much of the year however Manu will never create opportunities like Teddy, Turbo, Pappy and even the next tier down like Gutho.
I dunno, he scored 10 and set 7 up in 2021. It’s not unfathomable that with more space created for him as a full back he’s able to add another 10 or so.
This year has been a huge anomaly, looking at last year Teddy, Latrell, Pap, Gutho and a few of the better full backs, 19 was the top for try assists.

I think he can get there. Will he be in the top echelon like Turbo and Teddy - maybe not, but there’s nothing to suggest he couldn’t make it as a consistently top full back
 

Wheels

Warriors Bench Player
Jun 30, 2021
83
I dunno, he scored 10 and set 7 up in 2021. It’s not unfathomable that with more space created for him as a full back he’s able to add another 10 or so.
This year has been a huge anomaly, looking at last year Teddy, Latrell, Pap, Gutho and a few of the better full backs, 19 was the top for try assists.

I think he can get there. Will he be in the top echelon like Turbo and Teddy - maybe not, but there’s nothing to suggest he couldn’t make it as a consistently top full back
Turbo & Teddy are 2 of the 3 best players in the game. They are always improving and if Manu is not at that level I would take him over Paps & Gutho marginally.
 

PullinTeeth

1st Grade Fringe
Aug 11, 2017
1,549
As big a fan that I am of Manu, theres no way I'd be happy with a 1mil pricetag.
I like Berry and Vailea as our long term centers, but if they plan to keep Aitken in the forwards then the the only options of Berry, Vailea, Pompey and Montoya in the centres for the next year gives me big yikes.
If we did sign Manu at the right price and got him for next year then I'd give him a year in the centres while managing Berry and Vailea.
 
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