Recruitment 2021 Warriors Recruitment DISCUSSION

[Bangbros 2023]

Say Peter O'sullivan leaves, who are the real candidates to take the role other then Tony Iro?

 

[snake77]

When Gould left it was stated that he'd still be available for the club to use as a consultant. O'Sullivan leaving is probably the best time to use that.

Cameron George should get on the phone with Gould and get his opinions on how they should move forward or if anyone else would be suitable as a Recruitment Manager.

I know the first grade coach at clubs plays a big part in recruiting players for first grade. Brown wasn't bad at that with Newcastle, mind you he did start from a terrible starting point.

But for our club the recruitment role is too big and the results on the field typically mean the coaches time should be 100% focused on that.

We need to balance our roster like other sides, along with getting guys willing to move countries, we also need to recruit and develop the best young locals. Its a unique challenge.

 

[Naumaifooty]

Say Peter O'sullivan leaves, who are the real candidates to take the role other then Tony Iro?

Maybe justin morgan

 

[Bangbros 2023]

Maybe justin morgan

🤢🤮

 

[Mr Brownstone]

From a talent identifying perspective POS is a big loss. He’s one of the best around for it and Redcliffe signing him means that they will be quite happy to pick off our players as they see fit.

In terms of signing established players, I’m less worried. The big improvement came when we replaced Kearney for Brown. Prior to that POS was struggling to sign anyone of note. Players like Brown and are happy to play under him.

Brown for now is the key for our immediate recruitment although pathways and talent identification is becoming a worry with POS and Gould gone.

Agreed, his best signing by a long way was Walsh - classic talent identification example, someone like Metcalf, if we sign him, could easily fall into that camp as well. Can’t recall if he was responsible for Curran however he’s got a great future. However our established player signings have been hit & miss, probably with more misses. Addin Fonua-Blake was really good on paper however what’s his vaccination profile - could end up being a shocking signing. Sironen, Evans, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Kodi, losing Papalii (in hindsight) etc all underwhelming.

The key question is whether we have a better squad now than before he joined. It’s possible, but I’m not sure.

 

[Toookey]

Agreed, his best signing by a long way was Walsh - classic talent identification example, someone like Metcalf, if we sign him, could easily fall into that camp as well. Can’t recall if he was responsible for Curran however he’s got a great future. However our established player signings have been hit & miss, probably with more misses. Addin Fonua-Blake was really good on paper however what’s his vaccination profile - could end up being a shocking signing. Sironen, Evans, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Kodi, losing Papalii (in hindsight) etc all underwhelming.

The key question is whether we have a better squad now than before he joined. It’s possible, but I’m not sure.

To be honest I think our team is far and away better than the one we had 3 or so years ago. Much more balanced, we have better value players all across the park.

Gutted that POS has gone, but we’ve essentially got the team that we’ve been building towards, bar 2 or 3 key signings.
With November 1 being so close, everything will largely be in place - management will know who the targets are, we’ve probably already drafted letters etc. I don’t know how big a role POS has in getting players over the line, but he no doubt would have left the blueprint and plan, we just need someone else to implement it.
If we’re able to get 1 or 2 of those key signings, there’s no excuses for the next few years. Hopefully the next 3 years we build into a successful team on the field, making recruitment a little easier for the next in line

 

[Dunedin warrior]

Agreed, his best signing by a long way was Walsh - classic talent identification example, someone like Metcalf, if we sign him, could easily fall into that camp as well. Can’t recall if he was responsible for Curran however he’s got a great future. However our established player signings have been hit & miss, probably with more misses. Addin Fonua-Blake was really good on paper however what’s his vaccination profile - could end up being a shocking signing. Sironen, Evans, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Kodi, losing Papalii (in hindsight) etc all underwhelming.

The key question is whether we have a better squad now than before he joined. It’s possible, but I’m not sure.

Kodi was a Kearney/Moses signing I think. Results squad wise I think we are around the same as the Kearney era at the moment

However there is a hell of a lot more potential in this squad than Kearneys. There is room under our cap for at least one more good signing and we aren’t tied in to any long term bad deals. The management of our salary cap under the Brown/POS has been excellent.

However building a squad with potential is one thing, delivering it especially with the history this club has is a massive challenge.

 

[Mr Brownstone]

Kodi was a Kearney/Moses signing I think. Results squad wise I think we are around the same as the Kearney era at the moment

However there is a hell of a lot more potential in this squad than Kearneys. There is room under our cap for at least one more good signing and we aren’t tied in to any long term bad deals. The management of our salary cap under the Brown/POS has been excellent.

However building a squad with potential is one thing, delivering it especially with the history this club has is a massive challenge.

Yes, probably fair. I don’t see why losing POS now impacts our potential signings from Nov 1 - I doubt many players want to sign with a club so that they get to play alongside a recruitment manager. So assuming we have plenty of spare salary cap to splash on the likes of Metcalf, Manu etc then we should have a better squad by 2023.

 

[Wrighty]

Yes, probably fair. I don’t see why losing POS now impacts our potential signings from Nov 1 - I doubt many players want to sign with a club so that they get to play alongside a recruitment manager. So assuming we have plenty of spare salary cap to splash on the likes of Metcalf, Manu etc then we should have a better squad by 2023.

POS is now in psuedo or semi conflict of interest. He has a moral duty to not encroach on any plans the Warriors had in place while wanting to advance the prospects of the Dolphins who may want some of the same players the Warriors do.
The timing of his departure two days before November 1, assuming is effective immediately, couldn't be worse, or at least is quite bad. He ideally should have resigned a month ago so that the warriors could have used the past month gearing up a front office staffer to step in as interim recruitment manager.
Now the best I think the Warriors can do is let Nathan Brown completely run the recruitment this year. That will not be ideal as he needs a partner and sounding board. While there will be plenty of ears in the team to give opinions there is no effective role to give him official push back if he is wanting to make an unwise recruitment.

The only silver lining, if there is any, is that Nathan Brown is reputed to be the top recruitment coach in the NRL. Or close to it. Therefore he may be able to muddle through ok. He won't be as good as POS but he will be pretty good. I hope they assign an assistant to him to and much secretarial support as possible.

 

[playdaball]

Now is the time for the Warriors to try and get an experienced Football Manager, similar to Tim Sheens at the Tigers.

We lack football knowledge with Gould and POS having departed.

 

[Fonzie]

Now is the time for the Warriors to try and get an experienced Football Manager, similar to Tim Sheens at the Tigers.

We lack football knowledge with Gould and POS having departed.

Completely agree. There might even be a case to transition Brownie to that role if we can find a half decent coach to sit under him

 

[6Again]

Yep - tough losing the only recruitment manager we’ve had with genuine credentials and sad to think he’ll be on manoeuvres at the Dolphins next season. I hope his relationship with Brown is just as solid 12 -24 months from now but I expect there to be some casualties.

Gotta question the timing too, we’re at the 11th hour after all. Does leaving the club in a “strong stable position“ include all but securing the signatures of our three main targets? understanding how much actually happens behind closed doors with Nov 1 more a guide post between clubs than the official designation the Nrl places on it.

 

[W.A warrior]

Now is the time for the Warriors to try and get an experienced Football Manager, similar to Tim Sheens at the Tigers.

We lack football knowledge with Gould and POS having departed.

Bang on! Exactly what we need.

 

[Five&Last]

Completely agree. There might even be a case to transition Brownie to that role if we can find a half decent coach to sit under him

We need someone that specialises in talent identification. Someone like Paul Bunn or one of his assistants.

These coaches transitioning into glorified recruitment roles like Sheens and Brown never makes sense.

If Tony Iro gets promoted from pathways manager to recruitment manager, then I think I’d be done with the club

 

[Wheels]

Quite a lot to take in and not a lot of time to read all the comments. Big loss especially considering we are only a few days away from some big plays on the negotiation table. Came as a shock because I recognise how experienced and crucial he is to getting some names into the Warriors side. I am hoping that this loss doesn't prevent potential signings of big names like Manu. I also hope it doesn't make it harder for us to retain players like Walsh who have formed relationships with POS...

 

[Noitall]

One thing I found interesting in that story about Egan and his charity bike ride, was the part where Robinson, Brown and Slade Griffin took part in a separate challenge, but with Kevin Campion. Sort of sounds like a bonding session. With Brown already close to Hodges, I wonder if the exercise was about Brown and Campion building a rapport. Feel like Campion could become our defensive coach perhaps, and there could be a bit happening with staff in the background. Remember plenty weren’t returning with the team based in Aussie next year, and Brown in an interview said they would be looking at things that hadn’t been working. Took comfort in PO’S writing, that he singled out his relationship with Brown. I don’t think he would shit on his mate.

 

[Billyspleen75]

One thing I found interesting in that story about Egan and his charity bike ride, was the part where Robinson, Brown and Slade Griffin took part in a separate challenge, but with Kevin Campion. Sort of sounds like a bonding session. With Brown already close to Hodges, I wonder if the exercise was about Brown and Campion building a rapport. Feel like Campion could become our defensive coach perhaps, and there could be a bit happening with staff in the background. Remember plenty weren’t returning with the team based in Aussie next year, and Brown in an interview said they would be looking at things that hadn’t been working. Took comfort in PO’S writing, that he singled out his relationship with Brown. I don’t think he would shit on his mate.

Thanks mate, i needed some positive spin

 

[Peewee]

To be honest I think our team is far and away better than the one we had 3 or so years ago. Much more balanced, we have better value players all across the park.

Gutted that POS has gone, but we’ve essentially got the team that we’ve been building towards, bar 2 or 3 key signings.
With November 1 being so close, everything will largely be in place - management will know who the targets are, we’ve probably already drafted letters etc. I don’t know how big a role POS has in getting players over the line, but he no doubt would have left the blueprint and plan, we just need someone else to implement it.
If we’re able to get 1 or 2 of those key signings, there’s no excuses for the next few years. Hopefully the next 3 years we build into a successful team on the field, making recruitment a little easier for the next in line

Exactly... He has done the job. We have a reasonable team now thanks to POS. Just the last 2 or 3 signings and we are where he wanted us to be then it is up to the coach to pull it all together or he needs to be replaced. That wont be POS fault.

 

[Defence]

Completely agree. There might even be a case to transition Brownie to that role if we can find a half decent coach to sit under him

Flanagan the first to come to mind for me. Not sure how it would work with him and brownie but he built a premiership winning squad at cronulla out of a bunch of misfits, rejects and young up and comers.
Knows how to get the best out of people, has an existing relationship with Shaun Johnson and could probably get metcalf over the line….

 

[Diesel]

Bro why does this one hurt the most? Fuck i might be ready to chuck in the towel if next year is another shit year.

Yep, I feel like we’re the new Cronulla and that hurts