Recruitment 2021 Warriors Recruitment DISCUSSION

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Toookey

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I think if you watch most of the Warriors tries in opposition 20 Chanel Harris-Tavita is the first receiver straightening up the attack, I could be wrong but you don't necessarily want to take to many steps before passing to your back door receiver . Takes time away from the second receiver to put on a play. I'm not sticking up for him, just giving context to what may.... be the reason why his try assist tally is low. I'll have a look on the nrl website for his stats on try involvements.
Yeah I get that as a half you’re likely to have had your hands on the ball in the lead up to a try. Outside of a hooker, halves should be the players who have their hands on the ball the most.

A while back someone posted stats for ‘try contributions’ which are similar to try assists, but awarded to someone who is heavily involved in a lead up to a try. (I’ve tried to find these stats but can’t find them, if anyone knows where to find these could you post them please?) But again from memory, Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t featured heavily in these stats.

I know Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t the worst player to have ever played, but if one of our biggest issues this year was attack, having a half who’s only created 2 times in 11 games is a pretty big issue
 

Toookey

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I think what you are after is here
Awesome thanks mate.

Yeah so there’s total try involvement (tti) and try contribution (tcb). It’s not good reading for those who support Chanel Harris-Tavita as even Sean O’Sullivan beats him in each category comfortably…

Chanel Harris-Tavita looks to be one of the regular halves with the lowest try assists. Dearden and Dylan Brown are worse by numbers, and then there’s a few subjective players who play other positions or off the bench so hard to quantify.

In regards to try contributions tho, outside of the top 10 players for this, the next 90% of players seem to have similar stats between 4-9 of these in a season, so its hard to place emphasis on this. Eg Sean O'Sullivan had 7 and Chanel Harris-Tavita had 4 - I don’t think this is indicative of who’s a better player
 

Ever Hopeful

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It is interesting that despite his attacking stats and shortcomings in his game there doesn't seem to be anything but support from the Eels fanbase for Dylan Brown. He is a year younger than Chanel Harris-Tavita, which is crazy.

The Warriors had a choice between him and his good mate Paul Turner and chose Turner. Daniel Anderson scouted Brown in Auckland and invited him to the Eels.
 

Mr Brownstone

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Nov 9, 2014
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It is interesting that despite his attacking stats and shortcomings in his game there doesn't seem to be anything but support from the Eels fanbase for Dylan Brown. He is a year younger than Chanel Harris-Tavita, which is crazy.

The Warriors had a choice between him and his good mate Paul Turner and chose Turner. Daniel Anderson scouted Brown in Auckland and invited him to the Eels.
The difference for Dylan Brown is that he plays alongside a dominant half in Moses and also a fullback who has a great passing game. Contrast this with Chanel Harris-Tavita who had very few attacking stats despite no dominant half and either a rookie fullback (admittedly a very good one) or one (Roger Tuivasa-Sheck) that had no passing game to speak of. I’m no big fan of Brown, thought he was really average in 2021 and hasn’t come close to proving he deserves big money contracts, however he at least had some excuses.
 
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snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
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I prefer when we are poaching other teams young talent not getting our own taken.

Brown seems a bit more willing to give youngsters a go compared to Kearney so hopefully we see it a bit less often. Only so many slots available though so if you are going to keep people on a lower contracts they need to faith in where the club is going and the plans laid out for them.
 

snake77

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Why? We’re now talking about POS hand picked juniors, not the usual Dean Bell duds
I think you misread what I said or I didn't state my point too well.

I don't like seeing our guys getting poached. I'd still rather we take other sides best if we can, Walsh being a prime example.

There will be cases where we don't have someone as good in our system or a particular position is not covered.
 
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Ever Hopeful

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The difference for Dylan Brown is that he plays alongside a dominant half in Moses and also a fullback who has a great passing game. Contrast this with Chanel Harris-Tavita who had very few attacking stats despite no dominant half and either a rookie fullback (admittedly a very good one) or one (Roger Tuivasa-Sheck) that had no passing game to speak of. I’m no big fan of Brown, thought he was really average in 2021 and hasn’t come close to proving he deserves big money contracts, however he at least had some excuses.

I don't really disagree with any of that other than to say that it seemed to be a game plan to send the ball away from Chanel Harris-Tavita this year. When you look at 2019 vs 2021 Chanel Harris-Tavita's confidence seems shot. He does have things that for whatever reason he did not show this year. Unfortunately a lack of a long kicking game puts a very limited ceiling on Chanel Harris-Tavita.

I'm not convinced that either Brown or Chanel Harris-Tavita are better than each other.
 

Mr Brownstone

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Nov 9, 2014
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I don't really disagree with any of that other than to say that it seemed to be a game plan to send the ball away from Chanel Harris-Tavita this year. When you look at 2019 vs 2021 Chanel Harris-Tavita's confidence seems shot. He does have things that for whatever reason he did not show this year. Unfortunately a lack of a long kicking game puts a very limited ceiling on Chanel Harris-Tavita.

I'm not convinced that either Brown or Chanel Harris-Tavita are better than each other.
I said before this season commenced that Chanel Harris-Tavita needed to take the form he showed at the backend of 2020 and go to a new level - unfortunately he went the wrong way. I’ve said it before, however this whole wanting to play like Cooper Cronk doesn’t seem to be working for him.
 

Wheels

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Jun 30, 2021
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I said before this season commenced that Chanel Harris-Tavita needed to take the form he showed at the backend of 2020 and go to a new level - unfortunately he went the wrong way. I’ve said it before, however this whole wanting to play like Cooper Cronk doesn’t seem to be working for him.
doesn't make sense to pick a player to emulate that has a completely different game than yourself. Cronk was meticulous in everything from shouting instructions at his players, organising his team around the paddock and kicking for position. He was second to none in these areas and could articulate a game plan better than anyone. Chanel's strength is not his kicking game or organising or instructions to others. Chanel's strengths are aligned with his physical presence at running holes, making big tackles and also his attitude. I think his passing and putting players in gaps will improve hopefully next year before it is too late. Maybe he is more in the mould of a Keiran Foran.
 

Mr Brownstone

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Nov 9, 2014
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doesn't make sense to pick a player to emulate that has a completely different game than yourself. Cronk was meticulous in everything from shouting instructions at his players, organising his team around the paddock and kicking for position. He was second to none in these areas and could articulate a game plan better than anyone. Chanel's strength is not his kicking game or organising or instructions to others. Chanel's strengths are aligned with his physical presence at running holes, making big tackles and also his attitude. I think his passing and putting players in gaps will improve hopefully next year before it is too late. Maybe he is more in the mould of a Keiran Foran.
I’d love to see that from him however I don’t think he’s got the explosive pace for any decent running game at NRL level. Only 8 line breaks across his career to date and 5 of them were in his rookie season.
 

NZWarriorsFaithful

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Aug 24, 2020
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Sorry guys, ‘reported’ might be a strong word, just on one of the other forums I go on.

It sounds like they’re pretty confident of it, we’ll see what the noise comes through in the next few days
Oh lol hopefully it’s true
 
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