Post Match 2021 - Round 12 - Cowboys vs Warriors Post Match Discussion

[Lance155]

It's tough eh!! What ir does say tho is we love our club.... Very passionate warriors supporters! And we all want the same thing.. Warriors to win. I think some of the advice on here is good.. Stay away from the forum for 24 hrs or so after a loss... Don't know about you but I was pretty bummed out after Fridays loss. And man I don't have anything against Chanel Harris-Tavita.. I just want us to win

Yea Friday hurt a lot. Especially the 8 hour round trip I did to watch it!
We have had the same team issue for a few weeks now. Can score points but can't defend mistakes or wrestle momentum back (quickly). People will call out player x for dropping it or throwing a bad pass but at the end of the day that happens to all teams all the time. People notice it more if you then give up points after it which we are doing often.

 

[Tragic]

The field goal was poor but its CHTs general kicking that worries me more. We really need a half that has a long kick, especially when the props are pumping out the crap meters they are right now. But even when Addin Fonua-Blake gets back there will be times when u can't get out of ur half and u need a long kick and we don't have it. If Chanel Harris-Tavita is going to be our half he needs to get this and fast, he doesn't have enough other skills that make up for his lack of kicking game.

 

[Tragic]

The backs stats from Friday night in defense.
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The stats say Kodi was the best defending half on Friday, chew on that for a bit.

 

[DallyM]

The stats say Kodi was the best defending half on Friday, chew on that for a bit.

Yea he did have a couple good one on one tackles that stopped plays in there tracks... but it was that desperate missed tackle, where just seconds earlier he gifted them a 7 set restart sort of sum it up really.... Warrior footy IQ

 

[Nangsy]

The field goal was poor but its CHTs general kicking that worries me more. We really need a half that has a long kick, especially when the props are pumping out the crap meters they are right now. But even when Addin Fonua-Blake gets back there will be times when u can't get out of ur half and u need a long kick and we don't have it. If Chanel Harris-Tavita is going to be our half he needs to get this and fast, he doesn't have enough other skills that make up for his lack of kicking game.

Let Walsh kick on the last, doesn’t have to chase ad he’s fullback

 

[HoRneT041]

The field goal was poor but its CHTs general kicking that worries me more. We really need a half that has a long kick, especially when the props are pumping out the crap meters they are right now. But even when Addin Fonua-Blake gets back there will be times when u can't get out of ur half and u need a long kick and we don't have it. If Chanel Harris-Tavita is going to be our half he needs to get this and fast, he doesn't have enough other skills that make up for his lack of kicking game.

Probably not a popular opinion here but Sean O'Sullivan for my mind has a far superior kicking and organising game to Chanel Harris-Tavita (not saying much?) and would gain us back that crucial field position on the back of our mediocre slog up the middle. He hasn’t been playing and the team still defends like shit anyway, which has been his greatest criticism in the games he’s played.

I want to see more repeat sets and some deep effin kicking again and not the opposition running it back 35 meters out on every set!

It honestly worries me that they are investing Chanel Harris-Tavita as “the future” when as a half he ticks almost none of the boxes required except defence?

 

[Mr Dragon]

The stats say Kodi was the best defending half on Friday, chew on that for a bit.

Probably saved all his energy for defence, he sure did nothing on attack

 

[Lance155]

I agree we definitely need a hakf with a long kicking game, I don't think it can be developed/trained. Every team has one (but not normally both) Cleary, DCE, Munster, Wighton etc. Ours could be Walsh if we we choose (even from fullback). I don't think it matters what position but you do need one.

 

[Mr Frank White]

At this stage I'm wanting to see

1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
6. Walsh
7. Kodi / Sean O'Sullivan
9. Egan

14. Chanel Harris-Tavita

With Jazz to get dropped...

 

[Panther]

Probably saved all his energy for defence, he sure did nothing on attack

Go through the games and check that catch to pass ratio stat of the premier halves with ours.

 

[Wigan Warrior]

No issue with the bunker checking the kick off. It was the same play and could have put us 40 out had it gone our way.

Poor game management lost the game. 28-22 ahead and we had a chance at taking 2 or 1 and turned both down. Chanel Harris-Tavita kicking to touch is fine, but not when you put it 25 out. It should have gone towards the cornerflag.

The drop goal attempt at the end was schoolboy. Took too many drives, never really looked set and then missed a sitter. Holmes smacks one over from 40 yard that could have ended up going over from 60 out. (One little thing....I did think you were supposed to kick the ball as it hit the floor though and not on the volley as it bounces back up. Is that not then a knock on?)

Disappointing loss in all honesty after working so hard to get ahead.

 

[Wrighty]

No issue with the bunker checking the kick off. It was the same play and could have put us 40 out had it gone our way.

Poor game management lost the game. 28-22 ahead and we had a chance at taking 2 or 1 and turned both down. Chanel Harris-Tavita kicking to touch is fine, but not when you put it 25 out. It should have gone towards the cornerflag.

The drop goal attempt at the end was schoolboy. Took too many drives, never really looked set and then missed a sitter. Holmes smacks one over from 40 yard that could have ended up going over from 60 out. (One little thing....I did think you were supposed to kick the ball as it hit the floor though and not on the volley as it bounces back up. Is that not then a knock on?)

Disappointing loss in all honesty after working so hard to get ahead.

No

No knock ons from your feet. All good for whenever you contact the ball as long as it hits the ground first.

Edit I understand your question now having thought about it. You can essentially throw the ball in front of you out of your hands as long as you kick it soon afterwards.
Ideally you drop it straight down for a drop kick but by convention no one cares and you are allowed to propel it forward from your hands with a drop kick. They turn a blind eye. Good question !!!!!!!

 

[Yowieman]

I have said on here before why not while in OZ get a ex AFL player /coach to give our guys some kicking lessons.Plenty of those guys around & while I understand the balls are a slightly different shape the basics are the same. AFL players are far better kickers both distance/height & accuracy.Worth a shot

I been thinking and saying that since the Warriors entered the competition. Warriors have never had a decent kicking game and you just have to have one to be competitive these days.

 

[Wigan Warrior]

No

No knock ons from your feet. All good for whenever you contact the ball as long as it hits the ground first.

Edit I understand your question now having thought about it. You can essentially throw the ball in front of you out of your hands as long as you kick it soon afterwards.
Ideally you drop it straight down for a drop kick but by convention no one cares and you are allowed to propel it forward from your hands with a drop kick. They turn a blind eye. Good question !!!!!!!

My understanding of the interpretation is that it isn't a knock on because you connect with your foot at the point it hits the floor. That's what makes it a difficult kick to execute.

Holmes basically volleyed the ball over the posts but bounced it first.

 

[Wrighty]

My understanding of the interpretation is that it isn't a knock on because you connect with your foot at the point it hits the floor. That's what makes it a difficult kick to execute.

Holmes basically volleyed the ball over the posts but bounced it first.

I have never seen anyone pinged for kicking the ball too late. Have you?

 

[Wigan Warrior]

I have never seen anyone pinged for kicking the ball too late. Have you?

No I haven't and I doubt I ever will. I have seen players penalised that have dropped the ball and kicked out at it after it's bounced which is essentially what he did. No wonder it continued to rise. Does it not matter because his intent was a drop goal? In which case every player should just volley it

As I said, from my understanding of the rule that wasn't a drop goal.

 

[xWarrior]

The field goal was poor but its CHTs general kicking that worries me more. We really need a half that has a long kick, especially when the props are pumping out the crap meters they are right now. But even when Addin Fonua-Blake gets back there will be times when u can't get out of ur half and u need a long kick and we don't have it. If Chanel Harris-Tavita is going to be our half he needs to get this and fast, he doesn't have enough other skills that make up for his lack of kicking game.

Na that doesn't matter, he is strong defensively and is the future of the club !

 

[wizards rage]

I have never seen anyone pinged for kicking the ball too late. Have you?

You just wait until a Warrior tries to do it in an important game

 

[HoRneT041]

You just wait until a Warrior tries to do it in an important game

I think the normal procedure goes.. if we’re a couple of points in front it gets reviewed, followed by an apology later that week for the official getting it wrong

 

[zaggo]

With all the talk of the desperate need of someone with a massive boot, does anyone know why our halves almost exclusively seem to be so poor in this area?

Chanel Harris-Tavita, Greeny, Niko, Lino, Hingano, even Shaun Johnson when he was kicking for touch on penalties wouldn't get more than 20m most of the time.

Other teams all seem to have at least one bloke who can put in an enormous torpedo for their chasers to attack, or who can boot it from their own 20 way down the other end, whereas our halves look like they're playing force-back at a family BBQ.

Didn't someone on here try and say it was because they all had tight hamstrings or some other far-fetched reason...?