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[Tonbridge (Swanley)]

Wrong brother. Very wrong. There is a salary cap on coaches, you sack one how do you pay the replacement?

Your assuming that the payment for the outgoing coach is still included in the cap. My take on the coaching staff Cap is to limit what they can spend and there are not restrictions like there are for the player cap. As in a leaving coach gets paid out but his salary still counts to the cap.

This does not make sense and means coaches wouldn't get sacked if there salary still counts towards the Cap once they are fired.

I think you are wrong in your thinking.

Gold Coast and Newcastle are proof of this. New coaches are starting next year, Brennan and Brown still had years left on a contract. Those years or their payouts are could not possible be counted on the staff Cap going forward.

and the Cap goes live January 2020....so he can still be sacked...

 

[bruce]

Your assuming that the payment for the outgoing coach is still included in the cap.

That is correct. There have been articles published on that very thing.

 

[Geoff Public]

All the information is a little old, but this 2017 Daily Telegraph article should help. You can overspend, change coaches every week, but it costs.
Each club will be different. Bellamys 1.5 million deal last year at the Storm is their big dollar item. Whereas I assume ours would be more spread out with Kearney, Smith, Corvo & POS. I wish the article had more specifics on exactly who's in or out of this cap.

NRL clubs have agreed to a landmark proposal to introduce a cap on football club spending from next year.

A football department cap of $5.7 million will be introduced from next year after a meeting of club chief executives and NRL boss Todd Greenberg.

It was agreed that the figure will be lifted by four per cent in the next three years to enable staff to be given CPI salary rises.

Clubs will have until 2020 to get under the salary cap, and if they do not they will be taxed 37 per cent tax on whatever they overspend by.

Head coach and assistant coach salaries are included, as are training camps. Operational costs will also come out of the cap but not capital costs of centre of excellence.

NRL head of strategy David Silverton said it was an important move to curtail the rising costs of running club football departments.

“By putting the cap in place it will help ensure that our competition remains competitive and even,” Silverton said.

“It will also help ensure that NRL clubs do not overspend simply to keep up with other clubs.

“And that should help our clubs remain financially sustainable.”

The move will save the game about $10 million per season.

The Raiders, Canterbury and Parramatta were among the biggest spenders last year forking out about $8 million each to run their football programs.

While the likes of Brisbane, the Roosters, South Sydney, Melbourne, Penrith and Manly spent above the proposed $5.7 million.

Premiers Cronulla only spent about $4.5 million last year, while the Titans, the Tigers, St George Illawarra, the Warriors and Newcastle spent less than $5.7 million.

The football department cap will be reviewed in 2020.

 

[Off The Bench]

Your assuming that the payment for the outgoing coach is still included in the cap. My take on the coaching staff Cap is to limit what they can spend and there are not restrictions like there are for the player cap. As in a leaving coach gets paid out but his salary still counts to the cap.

This does not make sense and means coaches wouldn't get sacked if there salary still counts towards the Cap once they are fired.

I think you are wrong in your thinking.

Gold Coast and Newcastle are proof of this. New coaches are starting next year, Brennan and Brown still had years left on a contract. Those years or their payouts are could not possible be counted on the staff Cap going forward.

and the Cap goes live January 2020....so he can still be sacked...

New Castle coach resigned (quit)I believe .That is different contractually

 

[bruce]

the Tigers, St George Illawarra, the Warriors and Newcastle spent less than $5.7 million.

Where are those clubs on the ladder?

You can overspend, change coaches every week, but it costs.

Exactly. I remember an article from the SMH, which I cannot find just now (have to go to work) stating that the new caps makes coaches a lot safer.

 

[wizards rage]

I remember an article from the SMH, which I cannot find just now (have to go to work) stating that the new caps makes coaches a lot safer.

There will just be an increase in performance measures built into contracts so that clubs can terminate contracts without a payment.

 

[95forever]

If he is on 350k, and has suitors lining up for around 500k, why would he choose to move countries to Warriors just for a 10% rise to play under supercoach Kearney for 550k again?

Few reasons: Adam Blair (no explanation needed), Blake Greens slow passes and shallow low bombs, adjusted game model and process, wingers as forwards and ya know.

 

[Bangbros 2023]

There will just be an increase in performance measures built into contracts so that clubs can terminate contracts without a payment.

I certainly hope so!

 

[Vedoid]

If he is on 350k, and has suitors lining up for around 500k, why would he choose to move countries to Warriors just for a 10% rise to play under supercoach Kearney for 550k again?

He probably wouldn't, but what's your point? Can't win, don't try? Pretty sure that line of thought doesn't amount to anything in the professional sporting world.

Fmd id gladly give him the 700k we're paying Blair (that shit just does my head in!)

To be honest, I might be disappointed if the club secured him for 700k - I think it's too much, and would demonstrate that while the club is targeting the right players, they can't manage the roster effectively. Sort of like the Adam Blair situation. I like what Adam does on the field for us (I find it surprising that people don't or can't acknowledge it) - and what I assume he does off the field too. Sure, his form and confidence have been down this year compared to last, but he was the exact type of signing we needed, when we made it. The problem (again, my unpopular opinion) isn't the player, it's his contract (FMD - terrible contract).

The club has made public the formula for how they intend to manage the roster in how the Shaun Johnson situation unfolded. I hope they stick to it, despite the likely lean season/s that are forthcoming.

 

[Bangbros 2023]

He probably wouldn't, but what's your point? Can't win, don't try? Pretty sure that line of thought doesn't amount to anything in the professional sporting world.




To be honest, I might be disappointed if the club secured him for 700k - I think it's too much, and would demonstrate that while the club is targeting the right players, they can't manage the roster effectively. Sort of like the Adam Blair situation. I like what Adam does on the field for us (I find it surprising that people don't or can't acknowledge it) - and what I assume he does off the field too. Sure, his form and confidence have been down this year compared to last, but he was the exact type of signing we needed, when we made it. The problem (again, my unpopular opinion) isn't the player, it's his contract (FMD - terrible contract).

The club has made public the formula for how they intend to manage the roster in how the Shaun Johnson situation unfolded. I hope they stick to it, despite the likely lean season/s that are forthcoming.

I'm sorry but could you please explain what exactly it is you like about blair? Because he comes across as a real fucken dickhead! Off the feild anyways in my opinion! You just have to remember the world cup debacle and the forum past tuesday when he was asked about being dropped to reserve grade?

I'm not attacking your comments because your opinion is yours, but i strongly disagree about blair! Unless someone can actually explain what it is he brings?

 

[Vedoid]

I'm sorry but could you please explain what exactly it is you like about blair? Because he comes across as a real fucken dickhead! Off the feild anyways in my opinion! You just have to remember the world cup debacle and the forum past tuesday when he was asked about being dropped to reserve grade?

I'm not attacking your comments because your opinion is yours, but i strongly disagree about blair! Unless someone can actually explain what it is he brings?

It's all good man, it doesn't feel like you're attacking me - it's a forum. I don't take anything here personally.

The only time I thought Blair was a dickhead was when he wore purple! I really like his niggle and willingness to play close to the line of the law. I like his effort to slow every tackle down. I like that he is one of the tighter defenders we have in the ruck. I like that he is a competitor. I hate him defending on the edge. I think he is the type of professional that guys like Jazz and Ice will benefit from playing and training with.

 

[Bangbros 2023]

It's all good man, it doesn't feel like you're attacking me - it's a forum. I don't take anything here personally.

The only time I thought Blair was a dickhead was when he wore purple! I really like his niggle and willingness to play close to the line of the law. I like his effort to slow every tackle down. I like that he is one of the tighter defenders we have in the ruck. I like that he is a competitor. I hate him defending on the edge. I think he is the type of professional that guys like Jazz and Ice will benefit from playing and training with.

I can see those points, it just fucks me off when you hear blake green say we dont train hard enough! Where are the leaders and drivers of the club holding themselves accountable? To me that's blair, luke, sheck, harris, green. I just wish we knew what holding people accountable is to them?

 

[Bangbros 2023]

I rate jazz as a possible leader at this club?

 

[bruce]

I'm sorry but could you please explain what exactly it is you like about blair?

Because he doesn't seem to be a "follow me" type leader. He is an exemplary professional, and he is tough, he has shown that many times. Really he would be ideal for a club that has plenty of other professionals where he can just do his job alongside them.

He is no Kevin Campion, actually come to think of it we haven't had a Campion type since, have we? Even Rueben Wiki went off the boil somewhat here and Steve Price was the model professional type who clicked off his KPI's and went home.

 

[bruce]

I rate jazz as a possible leader at this club?

His only problem is size. He has the ticker, Heuzeuss spare me imagine him in Paasi's frame. The mind boggles.

 

[Vedoid]

I can see those points, it just fucks me off when you hear blake green say we dont train hard enough! Where are the leaders and drivers of the club holding themselves accountable? To me that's blair, luke, sheck, harris, green. I just wish we knew what holding people accountable is to them?

That was easily the most concerning comment I heard coming from the forum. To be honest, I don't know how transparent any of the members forum is, or if any comments are made to appease us as a fanbase. But that comment is an indictment on the entire playing group and coaching staff. I don't understand how Greeny could seriously think that was a viable and justifiable reason our year panned out the way it did.

 

[Vedoid]

I rate jazz as a possible leader at this club?

I really like Jazz, I'm just not convinced he has the rig to justify more than 30mins per game as a utility. But his attitude and efforts are definitely like those of a good leader.

 

[Vedoid]

Because he doesn't seem to be a "follow me" type leader. He is an exemplary professional, and he is tough, he has shown that many times. Really he would be ideal for a club that has plenty of other professionals where he can just do his job alongside them.

He is no Kevin Campion, actually come to think of it we haven't had a Campion type since, have we? Even Rueben Wiki went off the boil somewhat here and Steve Price was the model professional type who clicked off his KPI's and went home.

Sort of why I hope we target Josh Jackson. I could tolerate the terrible back row balance in our squad for another season if we're actually recruiting true leaders to help get us out of mediocrity.

 

[Bangbros 2023]

Sort of why I hope we target Josh Jackson. I could tolerate the terrible back row balance in our squad for another season if we're actually recruiting true leaders to help get us out of mediocrity.

I think josh jackson would be the right kind of australian we usually get! Hes a real tough nut.

 

[bruce]

That was easily the most concerning comment I heard coming from the forum. To be honest, I don't know how transparent any of the members forum is, or if any comments are made to appease us as a fanbase. But that comment is an indictment on the entire playing group and coaching staff. I don't understand how Greeny could seriously think that was a viable and justifiable reason our year panned out the way it did.

I think Green is a genuine Aussie pro who calls it as he sees it. He was asked the question as to why we didn't perform and his opinion was the answer. I didn't interpret it as they were NOT training, they just were not putting in the little extra that makes the mental difference. If you have watched them train they sure look ok, but why are Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Blair out front all the time?

I don't think any Aussie wants to tackle Paasi, or be tackled by him. However they sure know to watch for when he loses intensity and then run at him because they know he will do it for sure. They also know that he plays the ball slow and occasionally loses intensity on the hitup, and they just wait for it.

Greens comments aren't new. Phil Blake made similar comments 25 bloody years ago. Of course we know two guys who would never understand, maybe three, in Watson, Glenn and Doyle.