General 2016 Warriors U20 NYC Grade

I'm not too fussed. The average age in this team is very low. They're trying to develop them from a young age. It's a very different philosophy from Ackers 120kg hoppers on the wing approach.
 
Panthers will win NYC this year easily. No surprises considering our NYC side this year.
Agreed. Most of the Junior Kangaroos was made up of this side. They'll cruise through to the title, similar to how our junior side used to back in the day. Not a surprising result.
 
Good philosophy, get them used to being caned from a young age, just so they don't feel out of place when they get to FG with Cappy still at the helm

As opposed to trying to dominate a meaningless competition developing a style of player that does not succeed at the top level? There are many clubs who are successful in first grade who use NYC purely as a scouting system for youngsters.
 
70 point beatings are pretty bad. Is this our future? You would think we would have the best young players NZ has to offer. Time to axe the under 20 comp. Usually the good thing about Auckland is you have a future potential star, albeit one who often horribly disappoint us, around the corner. Is the team happy? Are trainings different? Losing our attacking confidence? The clubs great focus on defence hasn't resulted in any better D.
 

mt.wellington

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Panthers too hot in NYC clash
Sat 14th May, 03:30PM
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Erin Clark was one of the Vodafone Junior Warriors' two try-scorers in their heavy NYC loss to Penrith. Image | www.photosport.nz

Penrith continued its irresistible march with a 74-10 defeat of the Vodafone Junior Warriors in Saturday’s 10th-round NYC clash at Pepper Stadium.

The Panthers have been all but unstoppable so far this season, losing just one of their first 10 starts of the campaign.

Two weeks ago they beat Canberra 74-10 and knocked up an identical score-line in overpowering the Vodafone Junior Warriors, scoring 13 tries in total with Nathan Cleary scoring a try and kicking 11 goals for 26 points.

The Vodafone Junior Warriors yielded two tries in the first six minutes to fall 0-12 behind but then they found some joy with tries to Erin Clark and Mose Esera to be just 10-12 down after 17 minutes.

Unfortunately, the day turned grim from then on as Penrith hit top gear with centre Braiden Burns scoring five tries.

Match details | Pepper Stadium, Penrith

Penrith Panthers 74 (Braiden Burns 5, Ratu Tuisese 2, Caleb Aekins, Jack Hetherington, Jake Ennis, Kaide Ellis, Nathan Cleary, Liam Martin tries; Nathan Cleary 11 conversions).

Vodafone Junior Warriors 10 (Erin Clark, Mose Esera tries; Zion Ioka conversion).

Halftime: 36-10 Panthers.

Referee: Chris Treneman.

Vodafone Junior Warriors | Kane Telea; Lewis Soosemea, Junior Pauga, Marata Niukore, Mose Esera; Zion Ioka, Chanel Harris-Tavita; Kenese Kenese, Sheldon Pitama (c), Bunty Afoa; Ofahiki Ogden, Joseph Price; Erin Clark. Interchange: Chris Sio, Mattais Heimuli, Tualima Tualima, Matt Faitotoa.

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2016/05/14/panthers_too_hot_in_.html
 
Why are our youth so terrible this year? Worrying signs for our future depth. Auckland is supposed to have the greatest talent pool. Penrith being next. Now they are right down the bottom. Something smells.
 

mt.wellington

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Why are our youth so terrible this year? Worrying signs for our future depth. Auckland is supposed to have the greatest talent pool. Penrith being next. Now they are right down the bottom. Something smells.
You look at the team this year compared to last and we basically have a new squad full of 17-18 year olds. You'll find most of our most promising players like Nathaniel Roache and Ata Hingano are playing NSW Cup instead of NYC so thats a good sign for the club.

I think we've relied too heavily on the juniors to get our success hit but havent done them, and ultimately ourselves, any favours when they hit 1st grade. Despite the heavy losses Im happy with the current development pathway for the juniors...
 

mt.wellington

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ISP-NYC double header free on Sunday
Richard Becht
Tue 17th May, 03:00PM

Vodafone Junior Warriors coach Kelvin Wright is set to introduce another debutant on Sunday with Cyrus Timo-Latu named on the bench. In the centres is Matthew Faitotoa who had his first NYC outing last week.

VODAFONE JUNIOR WARRIORS v CANBERRA RAIDERS
Mount Smart Stadium #2, Auckland
11.00am, Sunday, May 22


VODAFONE JUNIOR WARRIORS
1 KANE TELEA
2 LEWIS SOOSEMEA
3 MATT FAITOTOA
4 MARATA NIUKORE
5 JUNIOR PAUGA
6 ERIN CLARK
7 CHANEL HARRIS-TAVITA
8 BUNTY AFOA
9 SHELDON PITAMA (c)
10 KENESE KENESE
11 OFAHIKI OGDEN
12 JOSEPH PRICE
13 CHRIS SIO

14 MATTAIS HEIMULI
15 JOSEPH VUNA
16 JEROME MAMEA
17 CYRUS TIMO-LATU

COACH | KELVIN WRIGHT

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2016/05/17/isp_nyc_double_heade.html
 
Its a bunch of kids, genuine kids this year. The club has for the last couple of years categorically stated this would be the strategy - take the focus off NYC and put it on reserve grade. Some of the big clubs have had some very poor NYC teams. NYC success doesn't translate to first grade success. Out of what I've seen this year, the fullback, the prop Papalii, and Bunty Afoa are kids who could play first grade - for some of them though it won't be for 4-5 years. In the past we've been guilty of going all out in NYC, having a very short career lead time from NYC to first grade and paid the price for it.
 
Its a bunch of kids, genuine kids this year. The club has for the last couple of years categorically stated this would be the strategy - take the focus off NYC and put it on reserve grade. Some of the big clubs have had some very poor NYC teams. NYC success doesn't translate to first grade success. Out of what I've seen this year, the fullback, the prop Papalii, and Bunty Afoa are kids who could play first grade - for some of them though it won't be for 4-5 years. In the past we've been guilty of going all out in NYC, having a very short career lead time from NYC to first grade and paid the price for it.

Agreed.. You do have to wonder though about the lack of emphasis here in NZ on teaching the fundamental, league specific skill sets from a young age.

We have all seen so many 'unfinished' players come into first grade that simply do not seem to possess basic rugby league skills that one would expect to be taught via academy systems from junior grades onwards.

Whether this is due to a simple lack of funding due to economy of scale etc, a major strategic oversight on behalf of the Warriors, a direct result of the prevalence of Union in our country, or more likely, a whole myriad of complex factors, one would assume that it is certainly detrimental to our club's long term performance prospects.

I am aware that the NZRL is charged with growing the game in NZ but I do wonder if the ability levels/quality of the players being produced locally really matters to them or if they are more concerned with the quantity of players registering at local clubs.. In the end the key benefactor of any well developed players would have to primarily be the Warriors, a for profit organization who the NZRL is not obliged to carry out developmental work for, whereas the NZRL can probably sit tight in the knowledge that enough talented young locals will be picked up by the West Island academies to ensure the ongoing competitiveness of NZ rugby league on an international stage.

As a side note, it is interesting to see that some of our more prominent NYC players have already been signed by player managers from a very young age and are essentially having terms dictated to them/written into their contracts regarding who they will play for and in what code long before they finish their secondary education, in many cases directly limiting their development as rugby league specialists.
 
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Its a bunch of kids, genuine kids this year. The club has for the last couple of years categorically stated this would be the strategy - take the focus off NYC and put it on reserve grade. Some of the big clubs have had some very poor NYC teams. NYC success doesn't translate to first grade success. Out of what I've seen this year, the fullback, the prop Papalii, and Bunty Afoa are kids who could play first grade - for some of them though it won't be for 4-5 years. In the past we've been guilty of going all out in NYC, having a very short career lead time from NYC to first grade and paid the price for it.

I seriously believe this is where we have been fucking it up, the true talents we have had have actually been identified early but unlike other clubs that rely on them to make the move up to 1st grade at some stage from u20s we wait until they're older and have come through Reserve grade once they have graduated.

I like the way the Roosters bring them up to Reserve Grade first but still give them a shot while they're still NYC eligible. At least then you can say with a degree of certainty whether they will cut it or whether they will need longer to develop.
The Broncs in particular have always been fortunate to have a big Origin representation so many their youngsters have always had the opportunity to get a taste.

It should be interesting to see what Green does come Origin time, they do have some reasonable depth available, but there will be an opportunity for him because of their 1st rd of the season, I'm hoping he decides to blood Ponga and seeing that they could lose a heap of their 17 it's a pretty decent chance a few will debut.