General 2016 Warriors Stats

Receives and errors per game in 2016 only:
Shaun Johnson 56.55 / 0.95 = fuckup every 60 touches
Hoffman 16.29 / 0.60 = fuckup every 27 touches
Mannering 18.10 / 0.95 = fuckup every 19 touches
Vatuvei 16 / 1.15 = fuckup every 13 touches

Out of that lot, manu receives the least ball, but makes the most errors per game from his limited touches.

All the information is available at https://www.nzwarriors.com/stats/

To complete the comparisons:
Lolohea - error every 37.8 receives
Fusitua - error every 24 receives
Ayshford - error every 18 receives
Kata - error every 20 receives
Wright - error every 7.8 receives.
Maumalo - error every 24 receives.

Thought it was worth bringing the outside backs into it, because given they have the job of defusing bombs and kicks with opposition players coming through, it gives a better comparison set than back rowers and halves.
 

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Receives and errors per game in 2016 only:
Shaun Johnson 56.55 / 0.95 = fuckup every 60 touches
Hoffman 16.29 / 0.60 = fuckup every 27 touches
Mannering 18.10 / 0.95 = fuckup every 19 touches
Vatuvei 16 / 1.15 = fuckup every 13 touches

Out of that lot, manu receives the least ball, but makes the most errors per game from his limited touches.

All the information is available at https://www.nzwarriors.com/stats/

Stamp it.

Next delusional Manu boi fan that says his error rate is one of the lowest in the team - read this stat.

Case closed.
 
Stamp it.

Next delusional Manu boi fan that says his error rate is one of the lowest in the team - read this stat.

Case closed.

But what would Mannering's error rate be if he was defending on the wing defusing kicks? Probably higher.

Different positions and all that. Manu's rate is better than Wright's! And not too far from Kata/Ayshford/Maumalo. (Fusitua and Lolohea's rates are better, but that might be due to the different positions they've played)
 

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But what would Mannering's error rate be if he was defending on the wing defusing kicks? Probably higher.

Different positions and all that. Manu's rate is better than Wright's! And not too far from Kata/Ayshford/Maumalo. (Fusitua and Lolohea's rates are better, but that might be due to the different positions they've played)

Hello is Mannering a winger?

No.

Saying Manus rate is better than Dumbo Wrong isnt saying much.

Maumalo? Ashford? kata? these are terrible benchmarks.what are the error rates of elite wingers - Jason Nightingale? anyone?
 
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That says it all doesn't ... The real HARD YARDS...

... And the top 3 blokes getting criticised on here for lack of performance ... They are busting their asses at the coal face and most people miss it.

The only game we win in golden point this year (I think we only won one ?)... Was a brilliant Shaun Johnson try in the 89th ... How many people recall Muts busting his arse on the last play of regulation time to stop the drop goal.

Muts & Lillyman are unjustly picked on in here... They play their part, don't worry about that !!

Yeah but where has Muts aggression gone, it's like he has gone soft, also should be averaging over 100m every game not 83. Like you said about Cappy earning big coin so does Matulino so ffs front up and show us what you are worth.
 

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Jason Nightingale? anyone?

Ill get that for you later....but it wont look good for most of our players...
Quick query shows if his stats were from our team, he would be :
Jason Nightingale ranked 5th in the team for Tries Scored (4)
Jason Nightingale ranked 3rd in the team for Try Assists (4)
Jason Nightingale ranked 6th in the team for Errors (12)
Jason Nightingale ranked 1st in the team for Offloads (25)
Jason Nightingale ranked 4th in the team for Linebreaks (5)
Jason Nightingale ranked 1st in the team for Running Metres (2757)

How the hell does a winger from an opposition team have more offloads than anyone in our current team!
 
Receives and errors per game in 2016 only:
Shaun Johnson 56.55 / 0.95 = fuckup every 60 touches
Hoffman 16.29 / 0.60 = fuckup every 27 touches
Mannering 18.10 / 0.95 = fuckup every 19 touches
Vatuvei 16 / 1.15 = fuckup every 13 touches

Out of that lot, manu receives the least ball, but makes the most errors per game from his limited touches.

All the information is available at https://www.nzwarriors.com/stats/

And JW for mistakes per touch ... It's gonna be single figures right !!??

hahaha
 
I know you've only looked at the four players mentioned in the original post, but here's one more for the list:
The People's Champ 13.63 / 1.75 = FU every 8 touches.

Oh, and just like you rounded SJ7 up for his 59.5 to 60 touches, you really should have rounded Manu's up from 13.9 to 14. Yes, still bad but not quite as much as you'd shown ;)


8 touches HAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHA
 
Ill get that for you later....but it wont look good for most of our players...
Quick query shows if his stats were from our team, he would be :
Jason Nightingale ranked 5th in the team for Tries Scored (4)
Jason Nightingale ranked 3rd in the team for Try Assists (4)
Jason Nightingale ranked 6th in the team for Errors (12)
Jason Nightingale ranked 1st in the team for Offloads (25)
Jason Nightingale ranked 4th in the team for Linebreaks (5)
Jason Nightingale ranked 1st in the team for Running Metres (2757)

How the hell does a winger from an opposition team have more offloads than anyone in our current team!

Couple of queries on those stats: how would he be 5th with 4 tries scored? All of our right edge, plus Kata have more than 4 tries scored. Surely he wouldn't be third for assists either with 4 because Shaun Johnson, Ayshford, Fusitua would all have to have more try assists than that?
 
Hello is Mannering a winger?

No.

Saying Manus rate is better than Dumbo Wrong isnt saying much.

Maumalo? Ashford? kata? these are terrible benchmarks.what are the error rates of elite wingers - Jason Nightingale? anyone?

He's not a winger, but I'm saying you can't compare an error per possession rate between a winger and a back-rower.

A comparison between a winger and a centre is a lot closer IMO.
 
It seems his best days are behind him, granted ... In the Cowboys game, he's the only Warrior to run for more than 100m and I think he did it comfortably 140-ish .. All "hard yards" against the reigning premiers.

The butter fingers come and go, sure.

But the meters out of yardage/strong carriers are very important.

The Australian outside back contingent do not have that element to their game, and are likely to make negative yardage on red zone carries. And if that results in them, or the next runner getting bundled up in-goal cause of previous dominance in the tackle, then that's as bad as dropping a kick.

He's still a far better all-round option than JW... If we could bank on Manu only averaging 1-1.5 mistakes per game. I'd pick him every time he was available ... He's not what he was at the height of his powers, but he is one of the NRL's best backs for carting the pill out of the redzone.
You can't compare dropping the ball to getting driven into the in goal.

Let's look at being driven into the in goal and the cost to the team who succeed in this ploy.

First of all they have to spend energy making a hard out kick chase and a hard out tackle. Then they receive the Ball somewhere around the half way mark and have to work their way back.

Us Dropping the ball means they get possession without putting much effort in by comparison, it also may offer set play opportunity from a scrum.

That aside, it is the unforced errors that get labeled COACH KILLERS.
Just going through the stats and noticed that Shaun Johnson kicked 4 40/20s in 2013. He kicked another in 2014. In the past 2 years he has kicked 0. WTH has happened there? For someone to have the ability to kick 4 in one season to a total of 1 in the next 3 seasons is nuts. Has Cappy reigned that in?
I remember when Shaun Johnson had that season of 40/20's.

He got most (maybe three ?) Of them in the early rounds, he was leading the NRL, and he was on fire.

He stopped trying the first game that he put a couple out on the full....he had a bit of a hissy fit (at himself) and put them away.

I suspect had he kept going he would be one of the best.

The same is true of his in goal kicks, he used to be scared to have a go due to ki king them dead.

Under Elliot then McFadden, he has become one of, if not the best kickers at weighting the ball into the in goal.

Watching him nail drop kicks during the Nines like no one else shows (in my mind) he has a freakish talent with the boot ....if only this team could be relied on to defend while Johnson works out the kinks in his 40/20 game.

I wish Shaun Johnson would just blast away, who gives a stuff if we lose six in a row while he perfects it. Once sorted, we'd have another weapon the best teams enjoy.
 
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Couple of queries on those stats: how would he be 5th with 4 tries scored? All of our right edge, plus Kata have more than 4 tries scored. Surely he wouldn't be third for assists either with 4 because Shaun Johnson, Ayshford, Fusitua would all have to have more try assists than that?
Whoops you are correct. Those 2 numbers are wrong - Assists he would be 6th, and tries who knows (dont have that category in the overall stats for some reason).
 
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Hello is Mannering a winger?

No.

What he's meaning is that it's better to compare players in similar positions.

Take Manu, a number of his errors come when he's returning the ball (you'd think he'd have worked on his ball security but that's a different story) and the error occurs at the point of contact when he's tackled. It's hard to compare his errors then to someone like Johnson who doesn't make the same metres running so isn't tackled so often so his either getting caught in possession with ball and making an error or making an error when his received the ball and wanted to pass it straight on.

For the last three games:
Against the Tigers, Manu ran for 137m and made 2 errors, while SJ7 ran 30m for one error.
Against the Cowboys, Manu ran for 128m and made 1 error while SJ7 ran 16m for three errors.
Against the Bunnies, Manu ran for 108m for no errors while SJ7 ran 61 for two errors.

Manu has run a total of 1404m this season for 15 errors so he makes one error for every 94 metres run.
SJ7 has run a total of 1273m this season for 21 errors so he makes one error for every 61 metres run. Plus, you've also got to remember that a lot of the metres run by SJ7, he's scored tries and hasn't been tackled so avoided contact.

To compare Manu with the other outside backs:
Maumalo: 1,062m/6E = 177m per error
Fusitua: 2,245m/13E = 165m per error
Lolohea: 1,787m/11E = 162m per error
Kata: 2,151m/14E = 154m per error
Allwood: 243m/2E = 122m per error
Hurrell: 109m/1E = 109m per error
Ayshford: 1,457m/15E = 97m per error
Manu: 1,404m/15E = 94m per error
Wright: 685m/14E = 49m per error
 
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It seems his best days are behind him, granted ... In the Cowboys game, he's the only Warrior to run for more than 100m and I think he did it comfortably 140-ish .. All "hard yards" against the reigning premiers.

The butter fingers come and go, sure.

But the meters out of yardage/strong carriers are very important.

The Australian outside back contingent do not have that element to their game, and are likely to make negative yardage on red zone carries. And if that results in them, or the next runner getting bundled up in-goal cause of previous dominance in the tackle, then that's as bad as dropping a kick.

He's still a far better all-round option than JW... If we could bank on Manu only averaging 1-1.5 mistakes per game. I'd pick him every time he was available ... He's not what he was at the height of his powers, but he is one of the NRL's best backs for carting the pill out of the redzone.
It's not his attack I'm too worried about! It's the fact he can't defend! He miss reads plays comes in when he should stay out and vice versa and the main thing he can't turn around to chase! He's a liability!
 
It's not his attack I'm too worried about! It's the fact he can't defend! He miss reads plays comes in when he should stay out and vice versa and the main thing he can't turn around to chase! He's a liability!
I actually am worried about his attack because there's not the speed or power that once was there. Let's face it, he's been a liability on defense, and coupled with his handling, for most of his career but that was, on the most part, outweighed by what he offered on attack. Now that's reducing, what else really does he have?

Sad to say it, but it's time for the Beast to be put out to pasture before it's too late (if it's not already). One of the main reasons I've been against him being replaced is who was there too do it? I think in Fusitua we have a player whose more athletic, faster, a better finisher and reads the game better. He's doesn't have the power that a younger Manu had but then with David's other attributes, he doesn't need it either. IMO, the mini Beast mark 2, Ken, isn't the answer to our left wing problems, the Flying Fusitua is!
 
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Shaun Johnson vs Cooper Cronk, Our best vs maybe the NRLs best.

Games played
23 v 22
Tries
10 v 11
All Runs
216 v 161
All Run Meters
1577 v 1088
Line Breaks
15 v 7
Try Assists
18 v 23
Off Loads
17 v 8
Tackles
365 v 352
Missed Tackles
57 v 40
Tackle Breaks
61 v 27
Errors
22 v 15

Shaun Johnson's running stats crap all over Cronks. But cronk makes less errors, more try assists, misses less tackles and scores about the same number of tries. If Shaun Johnson could match Cronk on the error and missed tackle stats...:rolleyes:
 
This club continues to ignore stats. Second worst defence is a stat. Missing the 8 is a stat. Player of club lagend status with the worst error rate in the league is a stat.

Losing on the score board at full time is a stat. Cappy's win loss ratio is a stat that isn't good enough for him to keep his job.

Ignore the stats and you'll never win the comp.
Ignore the stats? It was only a few weeks that we were bragging about our statistical wizardry with the interchange and how great we were crunching the numbers like we were the Oakland A's.

Birdie Reeves could be busy organizing stats for the coaching staff and management to report on what happened over the next few weeks when the season reviews happen.
 
The other thing the error stats don't reflect is where they occur on the field, Manu's errors are amplified because of the context in which the generally occur, either coming out of our end zone or the fatal last pass before a run at the try line. The wing can be a lonely place for a big man with hams for hands.
i tried to think about Manu getting passed the ball other than one off the ruck for first hitup, can't remember when I saw that this year. So either aint happening much or I have to stop eating those funny mushrooms growing out the back.
 
i tried to think about Manu getting passed the ball other than one off the ruck for first hitup, can't remember when I saw that this year. So either aint happening much or I have to stop eating those funny mushrooms growing out the back.

lol, yep stay away from those gold tops and blue meanies or you'll be licking windows and riding the spacka bus to town with your new friends. l'll jog your memory for you. Last week Kata set Manu free down the touch line (no seriously he did) Manu knocks on about 20 meters out.

That's the most recent one that comes to mind