General 2016 Warriors Offseason/Preseason Thread

[mt.wellington]

The Brocos used the SAS camp under Bennet aye

Was that back when he made Gordon Tallis captain? Does he still use it???

 

[jonno]

I'd like to see all our U20s player do a full 6 weeks basic training before being allowed to play reserve grade.

Up at 4 am to the sound of rubbish tin lids. Standing to attention while Sarge yells and spits all over them. Watching everyone in your sleeping quarters doing push ups cause you were a smart ass. Crawling face down through the mud, live fire discipline and everything else that you never learn in the world these kids live in...

I can think of a couple of guys who would've be straight onto latrine duties...

That's the fastest way to turn a bunch of wannabe gangsters and prima donnas into professionals...

1 day dragging logs around a beach isn't going to change their minds... Probably just gives them a nice ego boost, and kills guys like Havilis mojo...

 

[bruce]

'd like to see all our U20s player do a full 6 weeks basic training before being allowed to play reserve grade.

I wonder whether they get treated more harshly in Oz than here?

 

[jonno]

I wonder whether they get treated more harshly in Oz than here?

I don't think they get treated harshly in aus at all... But they are out of their comfort zone, which can be harsh all by itself.

The don't get special fan favouritism when they get there and have to earn their stripes. Over here they are superstars before they ever pull on a training jersey...

6 weeks on an army base would knock that ego out of them and also give them the confidence to say no to their old way of life.. Then they can really start learning how to play footy...

 

[bruce]

The don't get special fan favouritism when they get there and have to earn their stripes.

Read Gary Freemans book on how he was treated by Warren Ryan when he joined Balmain.

 

[Socrates]

I wonder who's the fastest guy in the squad. over 100m

 

[mt.wellington]

I don't think they get treated harshly in aus at all... But they are out of their comfort zone, which can be harsh all by itself.

The don't get special fan favouritism when they get there and have to earn their stripes. Over here they are superstars before they ever pull on a training jersey...

6 weeks on an army base would knock that ego out of them and also give them the confidence to say no to their old way of life.. Then they can really start learning how to play footy...

Calm down mate. How about you spend 6 weeks doing Warriors preseason than report back to us. Thats if youre still alive. You have a really skewed view on what the majority of these guys earn. 90% of the players are on shit wages. No need to be jealous...

 

[mt.wellington]

Konrad Hurrell
3 hrs ·

First day of pre season for 2016!! Looking forward to it . It wasn't fun today haha #ouua

 

[jonno]

Calm down mate. How about you spend 6 weeks doing Warriors preseason than report back to us. Thats if youre still alive. You have a really skewed view on what the majority of these guys earn. 90% of the players are on shit wages. No need to be jealous...

I'm not doubting their physical fitness. It's their mental fitness that needs the work out they'd get from the army...

Thinking clearly under pressure and that kind of stuff.. The ABs had Willie Apiata at their training to give them some advice on handling pressure situations. The idea is that War is way more high pressure than footy, so the strategies that keep a human thinking straight when they are in a fire fight also work when playing a high stakes game.

https://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11538169

And if that's to exciting for you then I recommend some kind of Buddhist retreat to calm your nerves during this preseason...

 

[surfin]

I'm not doubting their physical fitness. It's their mental fitness that needs the work out they'd get from the army...

Thinking clearly under pressure and that kind of stuff.. The ABs had Willie Apiata at their training to give them some advice on handling pressure situations. The idea is that War is way more high pressure than footy, so the strategies that keep a human thinking straight when they are in a fire fight also work when playing a high stakes game.

https://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11538169

And if that's to exciting for you then I recommend some kind of Buddhist retreat to calm your nerves during this preseason...

Just how many guys currently in NZ do you think that have true combat experience, are sitting around waiting for a call up to help train a footy team. I would guess even in the army right now that number would be quite small. I can guarantee you though training to be a soldier is hugely different to being in a in a combat situation where you may actually die. Just so you know, a real firefight doesn't include Arnie or Sly walking down the middle of a open field with a 50 cal in one arm, a belt of bullets wrapped around the other, throwing grenades with their dicks and occasionally plucking out bullets from the flesh wounds in there shoulders with a rusty bayonet.

 

[Freddie Futler]

Looking at that photo of Konnie suggests that he has got the message, he is way trimmer and looking sharp.
Anyone got a comparison photo of last year?
Hope he does get his shit together and play out of his skin this year.

 

[WillyDonDilly]

Looking at that photo of Konnie suggests that he has got the message, he is way trimmer and looking sharp.
Anyone got a comparison photo of last year?
Hope he does get his shit together and play out of his skin this year.

Do you mean from this years pre season or 2014 pre season?. Cause I think he was just the same at the start of this year (pretty lean and fit) then got injured and fell onto the gravy and meat pie train.
But yea I hope he has a rippa of a year to!!

 

[jonno]

Just how many guys currently in NZ do you think that have true combat experience, are sitting around waiting for a call up to help train a footy team. I would guess even in the army right now that number would be quite small. I can guarantee you though training to be a soldier is hugely different to being in a in a combat situation where you may actually die. Just so you know, a real firefight doesn't include Arnie or Sly walking down the middle of a open field with a 50 cal in one arm, a belt of bullets wrapped around the other, throwing grenades with their dicks and occasionally plucking out bullets from the flesh wounds in there shoulders with a rusty bayonet.

We could get Willie Apiata to pop in for a quick chat. He's obviously a footy fan so he might be interested.

As for basic training:

https://www.defencecareers.mil.nz/army/lifestyle-salary/education-training/basic-training

I don't see how that would be a bad thing either.

 

[mode81]

Why don't the Warriors just bring Steve Hansen, Wayne Smith in for advice on training methods and philosophies?

What good is SAS or army training if these guys can't walk a week later? Where's the benefits in that?

We have the most successful sporting team in history sitting on our back door step it's about time some of these insecure league people went to ask for advice from the best, swallow your pride and stop thinking you know everything (Laurie Daley did and NSW won Origin in 2014)

You know what you'll get from the AB's camp and it won't have anything to do with specialist army personnel or MMA coaches.. it'll simply come down to dedication and hard work, focused and meticulous training nothing scientific about that.

 

[DavidMcKay1974]

You can see it after the match on the weekend within the All Blacks, the entire team were there for one another, and they said they were brothers for life. They have that much trust in each other. Now if the Warriors can just do that, then championships might be won. You have to learn to trust everyone in the team, and play as a team, not like individuals. Get the defense right, and everything else will fall into place. I agree with Mode81, people need to swallow their league pride and learn to ask for help from within the All Blacks. The ABs are the greatest team of All time, and that's not bullshit. Look at their win loss ratio to the rest of the world.

Granted they are an international team, but you could install that into any given team internationally, or club team.

I remember a few years a go, I'm not sure which league team did it, but they went to the All Blacks and had discussions with them. They improved ten fold.

It's all about Pride, Respect, and being one with your team members.

Let the magic of the New Zealand Rugby League Kiwis rub off on the Warriors. It's just that simple.

 

[jonno]

It would take more than a 20 minute chit chat with Hansen and co. They'd need to bring Ritchie and Kevin in for a season to give these guys an idea of what the abs actually do to be the best IMO...

 

[fizurg]

It's a nice idea and would be great for the Warriors but the all blacks are a business and the Warriors are a competitor.
No one under a current NZRFU contract would be allowed to give any real aid to the Warriors.

 

[Jay M]

Some more pre-season photos on the warriors website today:

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2015/11/03/november_2nd_3rd_tra.html

None of the pics really enthralled me - so I'll pick one at random and post that. If you want to see the rest - go to the link!

 

[gREVUS]

I'm not doubting their physical fitness. It's their mental fitness that needs the work out they'd get from the army...

Thinking clearly under pressure and that kind of stuff.. The ABs had Willie Apiata at their training to give them some advice on handling pressure situations. The idea is that War is way more high pressure than footy, so the strategies that keep a human thinking straight when they are in a fire fight also work when playing a high stakes game.

https://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11538169

And if that's to exciting for you then I recommend some kind of Buddhist retreat to calm your nerves during this preseason...

You might as well get them to play high stakes poker after every training session to build the sort of mind set your after. The army creates a certain kind of person. One that will run towards a fight rather than away from it, one that will follow orders slavishly when asked. Lots of other traits that the warriors dont need. Some players would make great forces recruits, but a lot wouldnt. I would lay odds that in the past Shaun Johnson would not and would have been washed out by now.

Please also recognise that there is a massive difference between special forces training and basic boot.

 

[Juju]

I'm not doubting their physical fitness. It's their mental fitness that needs the work out they'd get from the army...

Thinking clearly under pressure and that kind of stuff.. The ABs had Willie Apiata at their training to give them some advice on handling pressure situations. The idea is that War is way more high pressure than footy, so the strategies that keep a human thinking straight when they are in a fire fight also work when playing a high stakes game.

https://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11538169

And if that's to exciting for you then I recommend some kind of Buddhist retreat to calm your nerves during this preseason...

Apiata is only there with the All Blacks because he has the same management as Carter and McCaw. It really is as cynical as that.