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InsideBall

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Oct 24, 2012
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I really liked the manner in which Doyle got behind Cappy... He left nobody at all confused as to where he stood - none of this, "He has the full support of the board" rubbish. It was, "Cappy and I". He was making it expressly and resolutely clear that these were the two men to be taking this club forward...
 

Makasene

1st Grade Fringe
May 10, 2012
1,950
Did you read it?
Fark, that is one professional position and looks like it is squarely aimed at an Australian as I doubt any Kiwi would have those qualifications.
I do like the professionalism Doyle is bringing to our club.

Yea had a read.

Nice to see them trying to employ a specialist who appears to be familiar with the Aussie junior system.
 
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snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
9,956
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Did you read it?
Fark, that is one professional position and looks like it is squarely aimed at an Australian as I doubt any Kiwi would have those qualifications.
I do like the professionalism Doyle is bringing to our club.
Applications close on the 23rd of August. It isn't open for very long. Obviously there aren't a huge amount of people with those specific skills; maybe targeted at someone specific?

I haven't listened too the whole thing yet. A combination of too short a lunch break and family issues after work. From what I have listened too; damn Doyle is impressive. A lot of items around the club are measured and he doesn't seem like the type of guy too not meet those expectations. Sure the on field goals are the hardest to attain but if it is a case of get the front office right and the on field stuff takes care of itself. We have the right guy in charge for that.

We've heard about the low standards amongst the playing group McFadden inherited. Doyle gave a little indication of what he inherited. A club with no core values or vision statements. Sure the main thing is the football but behind the scenes is a pretty big business.

Sounds like memberships are going too seem more important under his watch. The bit about members hearing before the press was a good laugh. If the press want the news they can become members. LOL.
 
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mode81

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Jul 25, 2012
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McFadden's not going anywhere he and Doyle are on a mission to deliver success.. McFadden's position is not in jeopardy and Doyle has full confidence so all the 'We want Cappy sacked' jargon is pretty much irrelevant.

Also Doyle mentioning Tommy Leuluai was the most damaging injury to the team.. just missed that defensive steel and footy nous.. that says a hell of a lot about how important Tommy is to the team..

Leuluai will be even more vital next season whether in the halves or bench utility.. he's the type of fella that will do what's best for the team so it doesn't really matter how you use him.

At a guess I'd say he's heading back to the 6 position to complete that Kiwi spine.
 
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McFadden's not going anywhere he and Doyle are on a mission to deliver success.. McFadden's position is not in jeopardy and Doyle has full confidence so all the 'We want Cappy sacked' jargon is pretty much irrelevant.

Also Doyle mentioning Tommy Leuluai was the most damaging injury to the team.. just missed that defensive steel and footy nous.. that says a hell of a lot about how important Tommy is to the team..

Leuluai will be even more vital next season whether in the halves or bench utility.. he's the type of fella that will do what's best for the team so it doesn't really matter how you use him.

At a guess I'd say he's heading back to the 6 position to complete that Kiwi spine.

I think you're probably right, that he is heading back to be 6. As well as being cover for 9 at the same time, somehow.

But in the midst of the euphoria over how well Doyle came over, how good his presentation was, the concentration on a new and yes, excellent set of core values, it's easy to overlook the problems we've experienced, which have little to do with all that.

Tommy was, according to Doyle, the biggest loss this season. Really? So what about how last season panned out? When Tommy was put back into the team as 6, replacing Chad, after he recovered from injury last year, our season went down the gurgler.

Doyle talked about the Warriors having three core aims, to be the most entertaining, the most engaging and the most respected team in the NRL. Most entertaining? Really? They look at that every day and always examine whether they are achieving this? Really? Being the most entertaining team is in direct contradiction with Cappy's over-structured attacking systems.

There was only one pointed question addressed to Cappy, which was why, when the team was simply unable to score points, did he drop Hurrell, who has been one of our great attacking players? He answered that Konrad was coming back, that "he'd done his pennance." Oh for goodness' sake. Konrad is a grown man. What kind of coach publicly humiliates one of his star players?

The pendulum is swinging, has swung wildly, from a team which paid, we're told, no attention to KPI's, to one in which KPI's mean everything and little else matters. The pendulum has swung too far.

What would get my admiration of the coaching staff is an approach which includes a thorough understanding of which player works with which other player, and a realisation that applying such an approach to the whole side Is of prime importance and can very easily over-ride accountant-speak of KPI's and the like. Moving players around, in and out of position, exhibits a complete inability to grasp those concepts.

Can the new paper-based approach result in a Warriors side in which the whole team gels and has faith in the way they play together? Which pays more than just lip service to being the most entertaining, as it wins match after match?
 
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tajhay

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Mar 30, 2012
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Doyle talked about the Warriors having three core aims, to be the most entertaining, the most engaging and the most respected team in the NRL. Most entertaining? Really? They look at that every day and always examine whether they are achieving this? Really? Being the most entertaining team is in direct contradiction with Cappy's over-structured attacking systems.
Did you listen to the recording? Doyle stated that 'most entertaining' did not mean that they were the most attacking team or whatever...it was that they were consistently high up on the ladder. It has nothing to do with attacking systems, but more results based, and that is how it should be. Winning pretty or winning ugly is better than losing. Simple.
 

mode81

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 25, 2012
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I think you're probably right, that he is heading back to be 6. As well as being cover for 9 at the same time, somehow

Tommy was, according to Doyle, the biggest loss this season. Really? So what about how last season panned out? When Tommy was put back into the team as 6, replacing Chad, after he recovered from injury last year, our season went down the gurgler.

I've quoted this section because that other stuff is too brainiac for me to comprehenday.

According to Doyle Tommy was the biggest loss this season.. among others of course, he said it not me.
Whether others agree is up to them to decide. Some might say losing Johnson was the killer blow. Wouldn't read too much into it, the timing of the injuries is what is most disruptive.

Back end of the season fades are becoming far too common.. it's been happening for the last 4 years.. I don't think Tommy was the catalyst to why last season went sour, there was a lot of variables involved.. Maloney just coasted at 6 in his final season so it's not just Tommy at 6 that has been letting us down over recent seasons.

Townsend has had the whole season to prove himself and many around here see him as reserve grade material.
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
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Mt. Wellington, Auckland
McFadden's not going anywhere he and Doyle are on a mission to deliver success.. McFadden's position is not in jeopardy and Doyle has full confidence so all the 'We want Cappy sacked' jargon is pretty much irrelevant.
Lock that in. There was no doubt in my mind that Cappy was here for at least the next couple of years.

I was impressed with the way Jim Doyle handled himself last night. Articulate, forthright and honest. A lot of what he said resonated with me. Particularly the importance being placed on Members.

What struck me most was the complete contrast between Doyle and Wayne Scurrah. There was no whitewashing issues. Covering asses. Sugarcoating. Damage control. I loved the level accountability that was starting permeate the club and you could sense it. Last few forums I'd been too the culture was one of closed ranks and defensiveness. This one had an air of openness and transparency. To see the new ethos, mantra, targets and goals of the club, team and different departments was eye opening.

What you dont get to see with the audio was the slide presentation that Doyle had. Was very interesting. Doyle did run over everything in his speech you didnt miss out on anything but it did add another element to the forum and helped break everything down. Would be great to get some of those images (*cough* WarriorsStore.co.nz?)

Great to hear from Stacey Jones and particularly Kelvin Wright who I had never encountered before. To hear them talk about how all roads leading to the NRL and Jones having to break up his team for Cappy and Wright having to do the same for Jones was refreshing. Especially considering the structures that were in place under Ivan Cleary and Jon Ackland. Both coaches had a real passion for the job and that was evident even from the audio.

Found Cappy to be very frank and honest. They was no silver tongued BS. He gave it how he saw it. Admitted to making mistakes and that he was learning all the time. Said the team were really hurting about the loss last week in Wellington. Wasnt happy with the all the injuries and having to field such a young team but did commend some of the youngsters for stepping up.

Didnt get to ask your questions Gee Gee. Saw the cameras and got stage fright. Sorry.

Enjoyable evening and discussion. Cappy and Doyle hung around after and interacted with the members one on one for another half an hour.

For a bit of perspective heres last years forum. The differences in delivery and management are worlds apart...


Wish to thank the Jim Doyle, Cappy, Stacey Jones, Kelvin Wright, MC Gordon Gibbons and all the staff that made this possible. Special mention to David Camps for getting this forums jerseys signed by the team which a few of you will be lucky to win as prizes.

Get along to the next one guys. Well worth the effort...
 

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Did you listen to the recording? Doyle stated that 'most entertaining' did not mean that they were the most attacking team or whatever...it was that they were consistently high up on the ladder. It has nothing to do with attacking systems, but more results based, and that is how it should be. Winning pretty or winning ugly is better than losing. Simple.

I was really happy to hear of the emphasis on being most entertaining. Who wouldn't? And in my enthusiasm somehow or other it didn't enter my mind that when he used the word entertaining he was thinking of a definition of the word that he'd only just come up with.

Mate, it's corporate claptrap to redefine words like that. You know this, I know this...

Corporate bollocks...PowerPoint presentations...spare me.
 
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wallacenz

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May 7, 2012
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I was really happy to hear of the emphasis on being most entertaining. Who wouldn't? And in my enthusiasm somehow or other it didn't enter my mind that when he used the word entertaining he wasn't thinking of a definition of the word that he'd only just come up with.

Mate, it's corporate claptrap to redefine words like that. You know this, I know this...

Corporate bollocks...PowerPoint presentations...spare me.
I agree, he defined successful, not entertaining
 

Navigator

Christchurch Born n bred white bait fed.
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May 19, 2012
2,313
Brisbane Queensland Australia
If you were to rock up and hear this meeting with out knowing the team at all you would have to think shit this place is a club going places.
I really like what I have heard.( Thanks welly for the link)
Finally there is a view of what we are wanting to be and not just a top Nrl club but a leader in all grades.
I look at south Sidney and once upon a time they were wearing hoodies and had the gang lifestyle look about them.
Now they get fined for not looking after their appearance as it affects the club also.
I see big things ahead for our club and believe that it's up to individual players to stand up and take us their.
If you don't like the journey then get off our bus.
 
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snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
9,956
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Did you listen to the recording? Doyle stated that 'most entertaining' did not mean that they were the most attacking team or whatever...it was that they were consistently high up on the ladder. It has nothing to do with attacking systems, but more results based, and that is how it should be. Winning pretty or winning ugly is better than losing. Simple.
This is the right approach. Winning is entertaining. Some of our best wins to watch have been the tight games where we have been going set for set and then someones pulled some freakish play out near the end. Sure it would be a nervous watch every week but winning most weeks will bring in the crowds and viewers.

I was impressed with the way Jim Doyle handled himself last night. Articulate, forthright and honest. A lot of what he said resonated with me. Particularly the importance being placed on Members.

What struck me most was the complete contrast between Doyle and Wayne Scurrah. There was no whitewashing issues. Covering asses. Sugarcoating. Damage control. I loved the level accountability that was starting permeate the club and you could sense it. Last few forums I'd been too the culture was one of closed ranks and defensiveness. This one had an air of openness and transparency. To see the new ethos, mantra, targets and goals of the club, team and different departments was eye opening.

What you dont get to see with the audio was the slide presentation that Doyle had. Was very interesting. Doyle did run over everything in his speech you didnt miss out on anything but it did add another element to the forum and helped break everything down. Would be great to get some of those images (*cough* WarriorsStore.co.nz?)
Doyle left no doubt whose running the club and there will be accountability throughout. Damn listening to him I'd hope there is a suitable job going. Love the focus on the members; companies usually share performance indicators with their staff. This type of reporting to members/fans to me would help make people feel apart of the club.

Hopefully I can get some time to listen to the 2014 forum over the weekend for a comparison. Realistically listening 5 minutes or so should show the differences between Scurrah and Doyle.


There was also a good line about the NRL deal and Doyle recommending money needs to be spent in NZ and the Pacific Islands. Shows the respect or pull Doyle has as I'm pretty sure the NZRL requesting the same would meet with a "We'll look into it" then a meeting adjourned.
 

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