General 2014 NYC Holden Cup Finals

Who will win the NYC Premiership?

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¿N. ig-mah¿

¿N. ig-mah¿

Abbey is 17 is still ineligible being 17, Lisone i think could be there next season best to play him in the reserves and slowly intergrate him off the bench like thr Roosters have done with Napa.
I checked that. Brad Abbey's birthday is in December. He will be eligible to play NRL next year. No doubt they will step him up to NSW Cup.
 

slaughterhouse.sa

Lisone is not a massive man, but does get through a fair bit of work.
But Vete fell off completely in NSW cup so who knows.

Other than outside backs (Laumape, Fusitua) our last couple of years of U20’s haven’t made a dent at all really. Hopefully someone will do something next year.

Albert Vete was never that good imo.
When he runs hard and is motivated he looked good - seems like a good character/leader for the nyc last year.

However lacked mobility and hard work in the middle yesterday he didnt even bend over to make the tackle when Cutters prop ran 50m to score.

Solomone Kata has proven he has genuine ability imo.
He will push for NRL selection

Maumalo is a beat - still very raw but cant see much difference between him and Jacob Loko (who warriors went after).
Surely he will get a fringe contract or else - he will elsewhere.

Hukatai would almost command a low level contract, if not NSW Cup.

Abbey will be a genuine NRL option in 2016.

I still rate that Paul Ulberg kid too - but he hasnt played since they got back Kata & Hukatai.
 
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mt.wellington

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Quick question. Will Tuimoala Lolohea still be eligible to play NYC now that the NSW Cup team has been eliminated???
 

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I would say yes, but not 100% sure.

NYC and NSW Cup are considered to have equal status. A player who qualifies for the finals in NYC can freely move to NSW Cup so I see no reason why that would not be the case in reverse.
 
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Albert Vete's problem is that he hasn't managed to adapt his game, he still runs up and throws out the front on fend shunting the other guy backwards and coming to a complete stop, then gets moving again. This worked against 18 years olds that didn't really want to tackle but not against men in NSW cup.

Lisone has a better chance to make it, particularly with Sam Lousi released. However I wasn't very impressed with his NSW Cup play this year when he went around. Next year full time will tell us a lot.

This U20 side will be hard to stop in the finals, a lot of the NSW cup experience will help.
 
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Maumalo is a beast - still very raw but cant see much difference between him and Jacob Loko (who warriors went after).
Surely he will get a fringe contract or else - he will elsewhere.
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Ken is an interesting player, always showed talent but has never been a radically amazing player like a Brad Abbey or a Lolohea can be. Having said that he just seems to stay so consistent at any level he plays at and he looks to more and more to be becoming quite a dynamic player. I could see a very good player emerging with Ken and have to agree he does physically and even positionally look to be a same type player as Jakob Loko who I was disappointed we missed out on.
 
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Top two fall in Holden Cup finals
By Jack Brady
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Dragons NYC players celebrate their win over the Knights in the first week of the Holden Cup finals series. Credit: Robb Cox. Copyright: NRL Photos.

After finishing the regular season in the top two, the Newcastle Knights and Brisbane Broncos missed a golden opportunity to progress straight to the preliminary finals after they were defeated by the Dragons and Eels respectively on Saturday.

While the Knights had centre Sione Mata'utia return from NRL duty and captain Danny Levi, back-rower Joe Tapine and fullback Jake Mamo all return from injury, the Dragons proved to strong with a 30-22 win over the minor premiers.

Dragons centre Jack Bird showed why he is one of the hottest off-contract prospects when his two tries sealed the Red V a place in the final four.

Similarly, the Broncos will now be looking to bounce back this weekend after going down to the Eels 32-26 in Townsville.

Boosted by the return of hooker Kaysa Pritchard and halfback Zach Dockar-Clay on song, the Eels sealed their place in week three of the finals.

Unlike their first grade counterparts, the Sydney Roosters and South Sydney Rabbitohs were eliminated in the Holden Cup with the New Zealand Warriors and Wests Tigers seeing them out.

In a thrilling game on Friday afternoon, the Wests Tigers – buoyed by the return of Mitchell Moses – snuck away with a 28-24 win over Souths to ensure they remain alive in their fourth consecutive finals series.

However the Tigers may find themselves without forward Tyler Cassel who will certainly find himself in trouble after a nasty shoulder charge on Rabbitohs fullback Devon Makoate-Boyce.

The eighth-placed Warriors also kept their season alive with a massive 44-30 smashing of the Roosters.

The Warriors ran riot with halves Tuimoala Lolohea and Mason Lino showing off their playmaking prowess, and the Roosters struggled from the get-go with the men across the ditch having no troubles running in eight tries past their opponents.

The second week of the Holden Cup finals will bring back memories of the old McIntyre system when the first-placed Knights take on the eighth-placed Warriors in elimination football. Newcastle prop James Taylor will be thoroughly looking forward to the clash after jumping ship from the Warriors mid-season.

In the other semi final clash, the Tigers and Broncos will go toe-to-toe for the second straight year in finals football.

In what proved to be a thrilling fixture in last season's golden point semi final, the Brisbane kids will be keen for revenge with all but one player from their side running around again this year.

All eyes will fall on the Tigers former winger and now back-rower Salesi Funaki, whose 86th minute try in last year's finals showdown between the two saw the Broncos eliminated from the competition.

Holden Cup semi finals:

Friday, 19th September, 5:15pm, Allianz Stadium
Brisbane Broncos (2nd) vs. Wests Tigers (6th)

Saturday, 20th September, 5:15pm, Allianz Stadium
Newcastle Knights (1st) vs. New Zealand Warriors (8th)


https://www.nrl.com/top-two-fall-in-holden-cup-finals/tabid/10874/newsid/81886/default.aspx
 
mt.wellington

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Cant wait to see these two at it. Still think we should have kept Taylor. Especially with all the recent news of players getting cut or released...

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The knights have a few kiwi boys in their system to, Taylor, Levi, Tapine should be a good game. Does Michael Ki now come back for the last 20 games aswell?
 

slaughterhouse.sa

Cant wait to see these two at it. Still think we should have kept Taylor. Especially with all the recent news of players getting cut or released...


Last couple of times Taylor has been ordinary against Warriors - so he will be up for a big game.

Newcastle and then potentially Parra - if this young warriors side make it to the GF it will be the biggest succcess in their history imo
 
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Last couple of times Taylor has been ordinary against Warriors - so he will be up for a big game.

Newcastle and then potentially Parra - if this young warriors side make it to the GF it will be the biggest succcess in their history imo
If the Warriors get up on the Knights I reckon we will go all the way. Knights have been playing some great footy this season and Im picking to take it out...
 

slaughterhouse.sa

If the Warriors get up on the Knights I reckon we will go all the way. Knights have been playing some great footy this season and Im picking to take it out...

Yeah definately a great year for them in terms of talent.
Levi and Tapine are certainties for Junior Kiwis.

Parramatta are my picks they have Kaysa Prtichard & Kelepi Tanginoa back in their team and physical across the park
 
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Holden Cup preview: Knights v Warriors
By Tony Webeck
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Warriors' NYC player of the year Sam Lisone crashes into the Newcastle defence. Credit: Shane Wenzlick. Copyright: NRL Photos

Semi-Final 2
Newcastle Knights v Warriors
Saturday, September 20
Allianz Stadium, 5.15pm

A week after the Knights were crowned Holden Cup minor premiers and the Warriors were elevated into the finals on for-and-against ahead of two other teams after a sideline conversion earned them a draw in Round 26, these two teams put their seasons on the line on Saturday evening.

Clearly the best side in the competition throughout the regular season, the Knights were last week bolstered by the returns of RLPA NYC Player of the Year Sione Mata'utia and Jake Mamo yet were left stunned by the Dragons 30-22 having beaten them convincingly less than seven days earlier.

The Roosters had finished just one point outside the top four but were last week sent packing by the eighth-placed Warriors who ran rampant in racing out to a 44-18 lead before conceding a couple of late tries to win 44-30.

The return of Tuimoala Lolohea from the NSW Cup team to the under-20s provided a great foil for halfback Mason Lino while powerhouse front-rower and co-captain Sam Lisone scored twice.

Knights coach Mick Crawley – the NYC Coach of the Year – has named the same 17 that went down to the Dragons last week with prop James Taylor to start on the bench having made a mid-season switch to the Knights from the Warriors.

Regular season
Knights: 17 wins, five losses, two draws (1st)
Warriors: 12 wins, 11 losses, one draw (8th)

Key match-up

Joseph Tapine (Knights) v Adam Tuimavave-Gerrard (Warriors)

When Holden Cup defences can be exposed in the manner in which they often are, having powerful ball-runners on the edges who are also capable of playing with the footy are a sure-fire way to try-scoring opportunities. Twenty-year-old Tapine has been given a taste of the NRL this season with seven games in the top grade while Tuimavave-Gerrard is not only adept at getting away on offload on the right edge but also isn't afraid to look for opportunities in the middle, as he showed last weke with his try against the Roosters. If the edges start to get stretched, these two young men will be the ones to slice their way through.
2014 results: Warriors 34 def. Knights 22 (Rd 12); Knights 40 def. Warriors 34 (Rd 22)

Final word

Knights coach Mick Crawley: "It was a difficult one for us because we played the Dragons two weeks in a row. We played them at home and beat them comprehensively and as much as I talked about the fact that they were going to be a lot more intense in the semi-final, I don't think the players really realise that until they get out on the field. In the first few minutes it was easy to see that they'd turned up with a totally different mindset and we were struggling to hold on. The last time we had Joe Tapine, Jake Mamo and Sione Mata'utia playing together we played Cronulla who were down the bottom of the ladder and we had a draw. With those three boys we try to let them come back in and just play their role but Sione is naturally a good talker anyway but in our group he doesn't have to do all the talking. The Warriors are big across the park, they run hard, they're athletic and they unload the ball so our defence is going to have to be really strong and we're going to have to look after possession and be more disciplined than we were against the Dragons. When you play the Warriors it's a matter of taking opportunities when they're there and limiting the amount of possession you give them in your end. It's a pretty easy game plan but doing it's going to be a lot tougher than that."

Warriors coach Stacey Jones: "We got into the finals on the back of a sideline conversion from our captain Mason Lino and had a good win last week so there's a bit of confidence and I think we deserved to be in the eight. The biggest thing for us is making sure we're mentally fresh and prepared and you do ride the wave of how good it was to win and to be in Sydney at this time of year and knowing that there are a lot of teams that aren't involved. The Knights are a team that can turn a game real quick and put points on quite easily and we certainly know that they have got some key players that can do some damage. Jake Mamo is a handful, Joseph Tapine is a handful out on their edge, Sione Mata'utia and what he's gained from playing NRL and their hooker Danny Levi, who is central to most of their plays. You're not going to stop him but you can do your best to limit what he can do."

Knights: 1. Jake Mamo, 2. Bryce Donovan, 3. Sione Mata’utia, 4. Chance Peni, 5. Braden Robson, 6. Brock Lamb, 7. Jaelen Feeney, 8. Jah Pakau, 9. Danny Levi (c), 10. Luke Yates, 11. Lachlan Fitzgibbon, 12. Joseph Tapine, 13. Joseph Boyce. Interchange:14. James De Saxe, 15. Pride Petterson-Robati, 16. Tuiala Togitasi, 17. James Taylor.

Warriors
: 1. Brad Abbey, 2. Ngataua Hukatai, 3. Nathaniel Roache, 4. Solomone Kata, 5. Metia Lisati, 6. Tuimoala Lolohea, 7. Mason Lino, 8. Sam Lisone, 9. Kurt Robinson, 10. Kouma Samson, 11. Marata Niukore, 12. Adam Tuimavave-Gerrard, 13. Jazz Tevaga. Interchange: 14. James Bell, 15. Toafofoa Sipley, 16. Ken Maumalo, 17. Iulio Afoa, 20. Ofahiki Ogen.

https://www.nrl.com/holden-cup-preview-knights-v-warriors/tabid/10874/newsid/81948/default.aspx
 
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Holden Cup preview: Broncos v Wests Tigers
By Tony Webeck
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Broncos half Ashley Taylor grapples with Wests Tigers forward Salesi Funaki when the two teams met in the Holden Cup earlier this season. Credit: Robb Cox. Copyright: NRL Photos

Semi-Final 1

Brisbane Broncos v Wests Tigers
Friday, September 19
Allianz Stadium, 5.15pm

Both these teams could have been accused of clocking off in Week One of the Finals Series and while the Wests Tigers were able to recover and record a 28-24 win over the Rabbitohs in their Elimination Final, the Broncos are now in sudden-death mode after letting a late lead slip against the Eels in Townsville.

The second-placed Broncos were well placed at 26-20 with less than 10 minutes remaining but two late tries to the Eels saw them advance to the Preliminary Final and send Brisbane into do-or-die mindset against the Tigers.

The Broncos have been boosted by the return of Jayden Nikorima on the bench while Jordan Drew, who scored two tries in his return from a knee injury last weekend, has been named in the centres despite suffering a minor ankle injury against Parramatta.

The Tigers raced out to a 16-0 lead against the Rabbitohs before finding themselves trailing 18-16 midway through the second half before tries to Watson Heleta and John Ogden propelled them into Week Two with a 28-24 victory.

Captain Manaia Cherrington is a welcome addition to the Tigers team at hooker, returning from a medial strain in place of Jeremy Marshall-King while Tyler Cassel's place on the bench has gone to Peter Ta'auso after Cassel copped a four-match suspension for a shoulder charge last weekend.

Mitchell Moses was a late inclusion in the team that defeated South Sydney last Friday and will again turn out at fullback against the Broncos.

Regular season
Broncos: 16 wins, seven losses, one draw (2nd)
Wests Tigers: 15 wins, eight losses, one draw (6th)

Key match-up

Duncan Paia'aua (Broncos) v Te Maire Martin (Wests Tigers)

A classy No.6 who has signed to play rugby with the Queensland Reds in 2015, Paia'aua has formed a lethal combination with halfback Ashley Taylor for the Broncos and was the creative force behind many of their attacking raids last week against the Eels. He is also responsible for much of the Broncos' kicking game and has been filling in as goal-kicker while Jayden Nikorima has been out injured. Although Mitchell Moses returns to the team, Te Maire Martin remains very much the go-to man for the Wests Tigers. Still just 18 years of age, Martin led the Holden Cup in both line-break assists and try assists and is blessed with plenty of speed.
2014 meeting: Wests Tigers 42 def. Broncos 10 (Rd 11)

Final word

Broncos coach Craig Hodges
: "[The loss to Parramatta] was a very, very poor performance from us and we can't hide from that. The game was there to be won and regardless whether you win or lose, it's the performance that you measure yourself on each and every week and that was way below our standards. The opportunity was there for us to stand up as a team and do what we think we do best and we missed that opportunity and that's particularly disappointing. We just had a real lack of urgency which is a particular worry in finals; if you can't get excited to play finals I'm not sure what motivates you as a footballer. If we get beat on Friday night it will be because we're not good enough, it won't be through a lack of effort like last week. There has been a lot more urgency this week because you don't have that safety net, maybe subconsciously that was an issue for us last week but for all of us left in the competition now there's no safety net, you win or your season's over."

Wests Tigers coach Andrew Webster: "Getting Manaia back is great. He's been a big part of our season and made the Holden Cup Team of the Year and he's certainly one of those players you want in your team at this time of year. Jeremy Marshall-King did a great job replacing I think the best hooker in the competition and our two front-rowers, Jordan Grant and Dallas Graham, have just been exceptional in leading us. A real find for me at the moment is Andrew Kazzi. He comes off the bench and he's got so much enthusiasm and line speed and all he wants to do is help the team and he actually is a typical finals footballer. We've spoken a lot about our preparation needing to stay the same but we also realise that when we're on the field finals footy is a little different with the lift in intensity and you've got to make sure that you lift with it. I'm sure they all enjoy the season but I can see a real difference in how happy they are playing this time of year. The start last week was great (the Tigers led Souths 16-0) and we've done that to a few teams and we're at our best when we do that."

Broncos: 1. Kodi Nikorima, 2. Paul Byrnes, 3. Tom Opacic, 4. Jordan Drew, 5. Jack Tuttle, 6. Duncan Paia’aua, 7. Ashley Taylor, 8. Aaron Rockley, 9. Jayden Berrell, 10. Joe Ofahengaue, 11. Brett Greinke, 12. Brendon McBryde, 13. Jai Arrow. Interchange: 14. Jayden Nikorima, 15. George Fai, 16. Ajuma Adams, 17. Alex Barr, 18. Kalolo Saitaua.

Wests Tigers: 1. Mason Farrell, 2. John Tohi, 3. Watson Heleta, 4. Delouise Hoeter, 5. John Ogden, 6. Te Maire Martin, 7. Eli Levido, 8. Dallas Graham, 9. Manaia Cherrington (c), 10. Jordan Grant, 11. Salesi Funaki, 12. Lamar Liolevave, 13. Andrew Kazzi.Interchange: 14. Hala Masila, 15. Peter Ta'auso, 16. Sione Alofi, 19. Matthew Lodge, 24. Daniel Rakvin.

https://www.nrl.com/holden-cup-preview-broncos-v-wests-tigers/tabid/10874/newsid/81946/default.aspx
 
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Dont forget the Warriors are on tonight...

Vodafone Junior Warriors v Knights
Allianz Stadium, Sydney
5.15pm (AEST), Saturday, September 20
COVERAGE | Live SKY Sport 2 from 7pm NZT
 
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So the video referees are just as shit in junior grade as they are in first grade. That was a try any day of the week and not a knock on.
 

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can these referees make a damn call without the video ref
 
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