Paleaaesina2the20
Surely the next team has to be based in or near Brisbane? NRL has lost the plot if its anywhere else.
gREVUS
Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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at the end of 2011 -2012 i honestly thought there was the talent in the competition to warrant another NRL side. Now however looking at the broncos, wests, warriors, Dragons, Canbera etc etc i dont see it. 1 more team to dilute the decent players into and with the Rabbits, dogs, storm and the Roosters routing the cap i cant see enough A grade talent to warrant another team
Lord Gnome of Howick MBE
PolarBob
#000000
There's enough talent.
As the NRL gets bigger and they pay higher salaries clubs will hunt juniors and established players from Aussie rugby which, all going well, will be totally fucking decimated. There'll be more Fijian and PNG league players as the Islands are scoured instead of ignored, and the Brits will keep coming. More fringe players will be retained rather than shuffling off to Superleague, and elder statesmen will hang around longer as clubs prefer to squeeze as much value from them as possible instead of early retirement via salary cap. Another NZ team allows another crop of youngsters to show thier wares without leaving the country, while making it an attractive option for ITM cup players that haven't been picked as AB-worthy from early on.
It's not just about what's on the table now.
As the NRL gets bigger and they pay higher salaries clubs will hunt juniors and established players from Aussie rugby which, all going well, will be totally fucking decimated. There'll be more Fijian and PNG league players as the Islands are scoured instead of ignored, and the Brits will keep coming. More fringe players will be retained rather than shuffling off to Superleague, and elder statesmen will hang around longer as clubs prefer to squeeze as much value from them as possible instead of early retirement via salary cap. Another NZ team allows another crop of youngsters to show thier wares without leaving the country, while making it an attractive option for ITM cup players that haven't been picked as AB-worthy from early on.
It's not just about what's on the table now.
matiunz
This year yet?
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Didnt Owen Glenn try to bankroll a second NZ team a while ago stating he would do "whatever it takes" not sure what sort of conflict of interest it would be though.
As for a Welly/chch team it would be well supported in Wellington if the team performed Well the city can be a bit fickle. Pheonix crowds are elitist hipsters that go to games so they can feel "cultured" and the Hurricanes do all they can to alienate their fan base so not sure if they can be used as comparison, as long as the team engages the community they should be ok.
The Petone ground if 15k could work playing big games at Westpac. Access could be a bit dicey close to a big fanbase in the Hutt/Wainui but Western suburbs/Porirua would take multiple trains/buses to get to.
Not sure how a Welly/chch hybrid would go but as the Warriors essentially ignores most of the country if its marketed as "rest of NZ" and engages its fanbase the Warriors could get a scare.
As for Juniors and player base the country probably has enough to go around, as I stated earlier the Warriors basically ignore outside of Auckland and other NRL clubs are swooping in plus Warriors cant keep all of their juniors so would be good to have another NZ option. Isnt it getting close to 40% of NRL players NZ eligible? Surely thats enough for a second team.
As for the financials sponsorship could be an issue but with another TV timeslot and the opportunity to increase market share in NZ the NRL would be silly to not atleast consider it.
Perth look to be the next cab of the rank and Brisbane 2/qland 4 are looking strong but we may just be a dark horse for inclusion.
As for a Welly/chch team it would be well supported in Wellington if the team performed Well the city can be a bit fickle. Pheonix crowds are elitist hipsters that go to games so they can feel "cultured" and the Hurricanes do all they can to alienate their fan base so not sure if they can be used as comparison, as long as the team engages the community they should be ok.
The Petone ground if 15k could work playing big games at Westpac. Access could be a bit dicey close to a big fanbase in the Hutt/Wainui but Western suburbs/Porirua would take multiple trains/buses to get to.
Not sure how a Welly/chch hybrid would go but as the Warriors essentially ignores most of the country if its marketed as "rest of NZ" and engages its fanbase the Warriors could get a scare.
As for Juniors and player base the country probably has enough to go around, as I stated earlier the Warriors basically ignore outside of Auckland and other NRL clubs are swooping in plus Warriors cant keep all of their juniors so would be good to have another NZ option. Isnt it getting close to 40% of NRL players NZ eligible? Surely thats enough for a second team.
As for the financials sponsorship could be an issue but with another TV timeslot and the opportunity to increase market share in NZ the NRL would be silly to not atleast consider it.
Perth look to be the next cab of the rank and Brisbane 2/qland 4 are looking strong but we may just be a dark horse for inclusion.
Magic Stick
TerryG
I keep hearing Tony Kemp's name in connection with a Wellington bid.
So long as he doesn't get banged up in jail for being a sex-pest, then Kemp might get his way, although it would be great for the Auckland franchise to finally get a GF first.
So long as he doesn't get banged up in jail for being a sex-pest, then Kemp might get his way, although it would be great for the Auckland franchise to finally get a GF first.
TerryG
I think you're right.
The NRL generally weaponises franchised growth in a way to thwart the development of the real enemy: Aussie Rules Footy.
Wellington doesn't rate highly in that equation.
If not a 2nd Brisbane team then South Australia such as the return of the Adelaide Rams or W.A. such as the Perth Reds.
The only trouble with Perth would be the Auckland to Perth flight could cost a day's training.
gREVUS
Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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if any i think it will go to Perth, thats where the money is and since the last time they had NRL there the population has grown with a lot of immigration from QLD, NSW and NZ
TerryG
Yes. Perth and Brisbane: Always good home games for the Warriors.
Bluecat again
PleasePleasePlease give us a Wellington team!! One game a year from the Warriors just isn't enough. Having a long distance relationship with a club is a bit like watching porn. You can see it all on the screen but it's nowhere near as good as being there
mt.wellington
Warriors Orange Peeler
What happens to crowd numbers if the Wellington League team suck? In Auckland when the Warriors suck you'll get about 8,000-10,000 members coming. You could probably halve that for Wellington.
What are we talking here? One player every 2 years? Last one I remember was Tohu Harris in 2012. Care to name any others???
TerryG
At least you can re-watch porn.PleasePleasePlease give us a Wellington team!! One game a year from the Warriors just isn't enough. Having a long distance relationship with a club is a bit like watching porn. You can see it all on the screen but it's nowhere near as good as being there
Warriors getting smashed by the Eels last week wasn't worth a first look.
in regards to low crowds at the moment in wellington A league side phoenix were wooden spooners last year, soccer has never been a big spectator sport in nz let alone wellington anyway,The hurricanes not going well for a few years and people are a bit over rugby union since world cup!
But the main reason im hearing from people for low crowds is the Cake Tin stadium is viewed as a rip off and dosnt cater to families for prices that fit there budget and that the food and beverage is crap and also a rip off and there just seems to be a feeling against that venue in the air in wellington at the moment! all they need to do is cater admission to family budgets more improve food quality and value for money and a few other positive initiatives at stadium and crowds will pick up at stadium. the A league and super 15 sides being a bit more competitive would help to!
im positive wellington or southern orcas would draw 10,000 - 15,000 average crowds even in a bad patch and 15,000 to 20,000+ in a good patch the whole country outside auckland is starved of live nrl there is a demand that supply cant match and between taking 2 or 3 games a season to other centres (at least 2 games in chch a year should get around 20,000 to each) would ensure good crowds and that side wouldnt get over exposed in wellington.
a newspaper article on who the nz bussinessmen in oz are who are behind the 2nd proposal would be interesting reading and get some momentum going for the bid, maybe the 2 bids can meet and join forces? 2nd queensland side and perth would be next places most likely after that sydneys over saturated with nrl teams making central coast unlikely to get a side unless someone relocates there, adelaide is a million miles away from having a side greymouth in south island has more juniors than the whole of adelaide, were 3rd cab off the rank id say central coast 4th, PNG 5th, adelaide 6th
But the main reason im hearing from people for low crowds is the Cake Tin stadium is viewed as a rip off and dosnt cater to families for prices that fit there budget and that the food and beverage is crap and also a rip off and there just seems to be a feeling against that venue in the air in wellington at the moment! all they need to do is cater admission to family budgets more improve food quality and value for money and a few other positive initiatives at stadium and crowds will pick up at stadium. the A league and super 15 sides being a bit more competitive would help to!
im positive wellington or southern orcas would draw 10,000 - 15,000 average crowds even in a bad patch and 15,000 to 20,000+ in a good patch the whole country outside auckland is starved of live nrl there is a demand that supply cant match and between taking 2 or 3 games a season to other centres (at least 2 games in chch a year should get around 20,000 to each) would ensure good crowds and that side wouldnt get over exposed in wellington.
a newspaper article on who the nz bussinessmen in oz are who are behind the 2nd proposal would be interesting reading and get some momentum going for the bid, maybe the 2 bids can meet and join forces? 2nd queensland side and perth would be next places most likely after that sydneys over saturated with nrl teams making central coast unlikely to get a side unless someone relocates there, adelaide is a million miles away from having a side greymouth in south island has more juniors than the whole of adelaide, were 3rd cab off the rank id say central coast 4th, PNG 5th, adelaide 6th
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Wellington local here, as much as i'd love to have a team financially I don't think it will work, unless the Petone stadium is built.
As mentioned above, the game day experience at Wespac is crap with over zelous security and a monopoly on the poor quality catering
Westpac and Eden park share the same problem in being too big for franchise sport, they only fill a couple of times a year the ABs or 7s/9s are played. Wespac should have been a rectangle stadium with cricket kept at the Basin, but thats another topic alltogether..
As mentioned above, the game day experience at Wespac is crap with over zelous security and a monopoly on the poor quality catering
Westpac and Eden park share the same problem in being too big for franchise sport, they only fill a couple of times a year the ABs or 7s/9s are played. Wespac should have been a rectangle stadium with cricket kept at the Basin, but thats another topic alltogether..
snake77
After watching NRL 360 last night I thought the games at the bigger stadiums were a bit more of a success than I originally did.
Also highlights a difference between Australia and NZ; due to the competition over there they get subsidised by the stadium to move games there helping the club out. We are getting forced to move cause we can only afford to maintain one stadium, I haven't heard about any financial help except for the free public transport which should be the case for all sport events.
Blain
Seems to be various articles each season of young players going to Aus in the Dominion post down here. Storm picked up a couple last season alone. I'm shit with names, especially of guys who havent even played NRL yet :S
Hey, found some info for you MT Wellington. The Storm hold a fair few camps here, this article stuck in my mind last year. These fellas had massive raps;
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/8926500/Wellington-college-stars-set-to-join-the-Storm
A good older article about the Storm;
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/6118521/Storm-look-to-Wellington-for-development
Then I found these guys just by browsing Storms NYC team, Welly boys;
https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/team/profiles/pride-petterson-robati.html
https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/team/profiles/kirisome-junior-kirisome.html
There are other clubs I heard that also have camps here. Not every Kiwi player in the NRL comes from AK..
thats why i want to know who the people behind the bids are and what kind of financial weight are they rolling with? i heard people at work in petone saying petone rec is a certainty i hope thats the case wellington region needs a quality medium sized sports venue there isnt one at present.
Christchurch (canterbury province) in particular and west coast of south island, manawatu and taranaki near wellington all have reasonable juniors and a league history and have players ifrom those areas in the nrl its not just wellington juniors that a side would be built on but rest of the country south of waikato.
here some of the current nrl players that hail from wellington and areas of the country south of waikato no doubt there a few more than that ive missed
mat mcillwick - raiders - chrischurch
matt duffie - storm - christchurch
slade griffen - storm - west coast
simon mannering - warriors - tasman / wellington
ben matulino - warriors - wellington
charlie gubb - warriors - wellington
issac luke - souths - wellington / taranaki
lewis brown -panthers - christchurch
russell packer - um well currently playing for long bay crash xiii anyway from manawatu originally
Christchurch (canterbury province) in particular and west coast of south island, manawatu and taranaki near wellington all have reasonable juniors and a league history and have players ifrom those areas in the nrl its not just wellington juniors that a side would be built on but rest of the country south of waikato.
here some of the current nrl players that hail from wellington and areas of the country south of waikato no doubt there a few more than that ive missed
mat mcillwick - raiders - chrischurch
matt duffie - storm - christchurch
slade griffen - storm - west coast
simon mannering - warriors - tasman / wellington
ben matulino - warriors - wellington
charlie gubb - warriors - wellington
issac luke - souths - wellington / taranaki
lewis brown -panthers - christchurch
russell packer - um well currently playing for long bay crash xiii anyway from manawatu originally
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snake77
Us Aucklanders feel your pain on that one; we can't even do oval properly.
The second bid came out of the blue. But both have been queit compared to the other bids that seem to be lobbying the NRL as much as the can. I don't know if the 2 Perth bids have joined but I remember seeing that suggested somewhere. A united force would be good.
Would also like to add
Sika Manu- Penrith Panthers Wellington
Matt Robinson Penrith Panthers Porirua
Alehana Mara ? Porirua
Ngani Laumape NZ Warriors Palmerston North
Ricky Thorby Nth QLD Foxton
James Tamou Nth QLD Levin
Then add guys with league back grounds like Piri Weepu and the Umagas from wainuiamata. League is pretty big in wellington with a big club scene not as advanced as Auckland but it does have one with some derbies in it.
Mt Wellington
Tohu Harris is from the Hawkes Bay as well if you are going to count that as Wellington then Laumape counts as Wellington as well.
https://peter-petterson.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/three-talented-rugby-players-heading-to.html
https://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/meet-nelson-next-sbw-video-5662169
Also know of the doggies recruiting from Wellington aswell. The Storm have a big presence down there and attend a lot of the school boy stuff.
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