Later Wiz, this isn't even worth the time today.I’ve posted the guns speech. Willie Jackson saying this is war. There’s been protests attended by Labour whose logo was guns.
I’m highlighting the hypocrisy of the party that pushed hate speech laws so hard to try to shut down the far right is now using the exact same rhetoric on the far left side…
I’m not on the side of anyone, I’m just laughing that Labour is acting the same as Trump and the antivaxers and those that criticised so hard are excusing it.
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Fact - Tamaki was before the courts for doing similar political protests…
I don’t agree with him but he has a point
Pull the other leg Wiz.I’m not on the side of anyone, I’m just laughing that Labour is acting the same as Trump and the antivaxers and those that criticised so hard are excusing it.
His comments are bang on.
I am no supporter of Destiny but I respect that he has helped many Maori turn away from gang life and violence. Nobody else on the political spectrum has done that as far as I can remember. The Maori elite certainly haven't. Some gangsters have been able to look inward and turn their lives around but that has been their own strength of character.
Religion has done that job well. Doesn't make Tamaki less a grifter and the conman he is.
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Hopefully by pointing out the hypocrisy Labour will reflect and pull back and stop being so divisive.
In tying Labours actions to idiots like Trump and Tamaki it might drive home the error of Labours ways.
In all seriousness, I wouldn’t want a political assassination on my conscience.
In tying Labours actions to idiots like Trump and Tamaki it might drive home the error of Labours ways.
In all seriousness, I wouldn’t want a political assassination on my conscience.
I hope you have some good friends around you today Wiz that will guide you away from the computer and off to Bay Park for the cricket.
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Just filling in time until the cricket starts mate!
Ps I use a phone not a computer so it’s hard to keep me out of the action…
That might explain the lack of coherence filter this morningJust filling in time until the cricket starts mate!
Ps I use a phone not a computer so it’s hard to keep me out of the action…
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Monbiot is an idealist who has been wrong about a great number of things.
No.
Thats one of the non sequitors that follows every comment ad nauseam about Maori that people like Tamaki (and so many other self-righteous, ambitious others) say whenever they need gullible people with a cognitive bias of fear about what they don't or can't or won't try to understand.
You know, hear something often enough it must be true right? Or that guy is Maori so he must know etc etc.
Doesn't matter that its got nothing to do with what is being discussed, or what is being asked for, or what is humane and just, or that they want to have a role in managing the environment to help protect it.
Erroneous and constant non sequitors, ad nauseam....repeated everywhere and even on here by some.
Those bloody Maoris eh! All they want is handouts! They get millions, what about the rest of us! Why can't they just sort their own problems out instead of us carrying the burden.? All they do is take, take, take and they want to OWN the rivers, the foreshore and all the fishing quotas, they want to set up a this that and the next thing because they want apartheid...etc.
Educate yourself and listen to what is actually being said, happening, and stop buying into the tropes being thrown out there constantly that are just ignorant and weaponised to keep you in that same bias.
Over and out from this echo chamber of the entrenched. Be careful what you wish for - will be interesting to revisit this thread in the coming months and years.
And to those that are erudite and eloquent, have enjoyed your responses in an unfortunate flogging a dead horse scenario. Kia kaha!
The season is almost upon us & turning my attention now to something that is hopefully more progressive and uplifting!
Feel free to post articles yourselfYou andInruin love posting news articles so why not post Simon Wilson’s opinion piece in the the NZHerald as well
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I'm kinda thinking time is best spent elsewhere tooNo.
Thats one of the non sequitors that follows every comment ad nauseam about Maori that people like Tamaki (and so many other self-righteous, ambitious others) say whenever they need gullible people with a cognitive bias of fear about what they don't or can't or won't try to understand.
You know, hear something often enough it must be true right? Or that guy is Maori so he must know etc etc.
Doesn't matter that its got nothing to do with what is being discussed, or what is being asked for, or what is humane and just, or that they want to have a role in managing the environment to help protect it.
Erroneous and constant non sequitors, ad nauseam....repeated everywhere and even on here by some.
Those bloody Maoris eh! All they want is handouts! They get millions, what about the rest of us! Why can't they just sort their own problems out instead of us carrying the burden.? All they do is take, take, take and they want to OWN the rivers, the foreshore and all the fishing quotas, they want to set up a this that and the next thing because they want apartheid...etc.
Educate yourself and listen to what is actually being said, happening, and stop buying into the tropes being thrown out there constantly that are just ignorant and weaponised to keep you in that same bias.
Over and out from this echo chamber of the entrenched. Be careful what you wish for - will be interesting to revisit this thread in the coming months and years.
And to those that are erudite and eloquent, have enjoyed your responses in an unfortunate flogging a dead horse scenario. Kia kaha!
The season is almost upon us & turning my attention now to something that is hopefully more progressive and uplifting!
Facts. Tamaki is interested in only 2 things.
Building a cult of personality around himself
And profiting off said cult.
just to be clear here, i wasn’t being facetious. i genuinely can’t really find anything that actually says what seymour wants to implement.
just a bunch of others opinion that it’s probably not good.
any links would be much appreciated!
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He wants a referendum clarifying the treaty principles
- this has been construed as doing away with the treaty which is totally false. National won’t even let it get to a referendum and then the public would need to agree to it. And it would still be the treaty, just clarifying what it means because nobody knows.
They are reducing the force through of Te Reo
- if Labour had made government departments in English AND Te Reo like a partnership, instead of only Te Reo there would be no problem.
That want everyone to be equal
- I can’t understand why this is controversial except through an entitlement basis
The coalition have been very clear and upfront about what they are doing and why (unlike He Puapua). The reality is they will now publicly back down and slowly implement changes behind the scenes in a non transparent way because the electorate hasn’t been mature enough to debate it.
They have made clear they are pro Maori, want to keep the treaty, believe in righting past wrongs, want Maori to succeed but want to debate how it’s done.
There’s just been a big coordinated amount of outrage for political reasons against everything the new government is doing.
This is the party of hobson's pledge.
